[MartAnimE] Go~!
[forlornhope] go
[Noirlax] GO~!
[Noirlax] James? Alex?
[MartAnimE] where are you XD
[MartAnimE] a little urgency plz :V
[Noirlax] I just want you to say that in a ScoobyDoo voice XD
[forlornhope] lol
[MartAnimE] lol
[BeyondTime] go
[ShadowBlazer3000] go
[Noirlax] go~!
[MartAnimE] thanks
[forlornhope] go again I guess :p
[MartAnimE] go go
[MartAnimE] I didn't notice it got late
[MartAnimE] we usually have long discussion breaks in between
[Noirlax] I probably wouldn't write a Sora .hack fanfic most likely a Tsukasa x Subaru love poem or something
[MartAnimE] but we started late to begin with
[forlornhope] well I didn't get the best sleep the night before
[Noirlax] I guess I had lunch as well
[MartAnimE] it's fine, we want everyone to be awake for this ^^
[ShadowBlazer3000] oh dear well you go to bed right after this, young lady
[Noirlax] indeed
[MartAnimE] I wouldn't have written Sora fanfic either Riki, it was a dare actually XD
[forlornhope] hai :v
[Noirlax] immoral cascade. Oh I see Marta :smile:
[MartAnimE] but I guess that makes it all the more challenging
[ShadowBlazer3000] there's a lot of dutch tilts in the photography
[MartAnimE] oh Sakisaka had weird eyes there
[MartAnimE] for a second
[ShadowBlazer3000] this music reminds me of Mortal Kombat
[forlornhope] very girly eyes :p
[MartAnimE] yeah XD
[MartAnimE] what the heck
[Noirlax] nice scenery
[MartAnimE] no Ovan, don't leave
[MartAnimE] those nice Bob Ross mountains though
[Noirlax] yeah
[MartAnimE] :smile:
[Noirlax] forbidden bracelet
[ShadowBlazer3000] it's a trap
[MartAnimE] I think these guys have no idea what the Key of the Twilight really is
[ShadowBlazer3000] few do that's why it's so mysterious
[MartAnimE] if they knew they probably wouldn't pursue it like this
[Noirlax] very mysterious game
[ShadowBlazer3000] the secrets lay with the game's creator :ghost:
[MartAnimE] you have to go because you're the main character Haseo :V
[MartAnimE] get with the program XD
[Noirlax] you're the angsty kid that gets to be the main character ok just do it :smile:
[ShadowBlazer3000] fireworks
[MartAnimE] I really don't get Tabby at times XD
[MartAnimE] she's so impressionable
[ShadowBlazer3000] she's a teenager so naturally she fauns a little
[MartAnimE] oh ok yeah I don't know how old she is
[MartAnimE] sounds younger than the other twilight brigade members
[Noirlax] It's a trap :v
[MartAnimE] Ovan is gone
[ShadowBlazer3000] Tabby is 16
[ShadowBlazer3000] Sakisaka is 19
[ShadowBlazer3000] Haseo is 17
[ShadowBlazer3000] Shino is 20
[ShadowBlazer3000] Ovan is 25-26
[MartAnimE] lol nice
[Noirlax] so young
[MartAnimE] they're all younger than me :smile:
[Noirlax] act on your gut
[Noirlax] sad tomatoes
[MartAnimE] aww Tabby hugs the mascot
[MartAnimE] Sakisaka's eyes are back to normal
[MartAnimE] good moment here
[MartAnimE] at the waterfall
[MartAnimE] very memorable from the first rewatch
[MartAnimE] awwwwww I don't even ship but that was kinda sweet :V
[Noirlax] yeah
[Noirlax] kinda intimate
[MartAnimE] as intimate as it gets when its through a computer
[ShadowBlazer3000] woah Shino's gonna do some Doxing
[MartAnimE] how so?
[Noirlax] Shino clever girl
[ShadowBlazer3000] she's gonna spread TaN's private info around if she doesn't get her way
[MartAnimE] oh ok I didn't know what doxing was
[ShadowBlazer3000]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing arm yourself with knowledge :v
[MartAnimE] well I know now
[MartAnimE] it sounds pretty crappy :V
[MartAnimE] what the hack are they doing to Ovan?
[MartAnimE] why is he in pain? :frowning:
[Noirlax] what hack are they doing to Ovan?
[ShadowBlazer3000] they're prowling through his character data
[Noirlax] I guess they couldn't find Naobi
[MartAnimE] but why does that make him scream
[Noirlax] good question
[Noirlax] Seems like the game can cause physical pain
[ShadowBlazer3000] I might be wrong on this but i think he's like Tsukasa at this point where he's physically in The World
[MartAnimE] but if it did wouldn't players instinctively remove their helmet
[BeyondTime] Unless he is in a coma now.
[MartAnimE] ah ok that explains it
[Noirlax] yeah that's possible
[BeyondTime] Typical Bee Train, it gets to the point half way in. :stuck_out_tongue:
[MartAnimE] well next rewatch we'll get to the half
[Noirlax] I hope I like the second half more this time
[Noirlax] These episodes have been great, I like that chat B-set had with Phyllo too
[Noirlax] Think Roots explores people playing games too but differently from Sign.
[MartAnimE] I think first half might be better in general unfortunately
[BeyondTime] I recognize Phyllo's VA from other stuff.
[MartAnimE] but a rewatch might feel different
[BeyondTime] Like he was the old Gangster Kei worked for in Dirty Pair Flash.
[MartAnimE] we'll see
[ShadowBlazer3000] really I prefer the second half of Roots
[Noirlax] I preferred the first half, first time round but that might change this time.
[forlornhope] liked the first half better too
[MartAnimE] it was only my first impression Alex
[forlornhope] anyways I think I'm gonna take my leave now and catch some zzzs
[ShadowBlazer3000] all right good night
[BeyondTime] Night Brooke
[ShadowBlazer3000] sleep well
[MartAnimE] good night Brooke :dog:
[Noirlax] okies goodnight Brooke
[forlornhope] thanks for the rewatch :smiley:
[MartAnimE] bai bai :dog2:
[MartAnimE] ***
[Noirlax] good night Brooke-dawg!
[Noirlax] :dog:
[Noirlax] ***
[forlornhope] night :dog:
[MartAnimE] I think for many people the second half wasn't as good cuz it's very Haseo heavy
[MartAnimE] not spoiling anything
[Noirlax] Maybe it's different if you know the game I dunno
[BeyondTime] Haseo is pretty dull to me.
[ShadowBlazer3000] even putting the game aside I think it's where the plot picks up momentum
[BeyondTime] I'm more into the other characters.
[MartAnimE] Haseo as a protagonist isn't very captivating
[Noirlax] I like to revisit
[MartAnimE] he shines through his interactions with the other Twilight Brigade members
[Noirlax] Haseo is better as he got along so far
[MartAnimE] well yes Riki
[MartAnimE] but, again, without spoiling, his character development isn't exactly a constant
[Noirlax] nope
[MartAnimE] I like him ok now
[MartAnimE] I think there will be ups and downs ahead :smile:
[MartAnimE] looking forward to revisit it
[Noirlax] We'll get to discord on Discord next time
[MartAnimE] Yeah :smile:
[MartAnimE] brb :dog:
[Noirlax] ok
[MartAnimE] back
[BeyondTime] wb
[Noirlax] wb
[MartAnimE] so question
[MartAnimE] what did yo all think Shino's relationship with Ovan was like?
[ShadowBlazer3000] I think Shino has a crush on Ovan
[MartAnimE] it seems to me like she feels for him a lot more than he does for her
[Noirlax] I think they aren't that close but Shino does have a crush yeah
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah very one sided
[BeyondTime] She said they were acquaintances, but I am guessing she feels more and it isn't reciprocated.
[MartAnimE] yeah so sad huh :frowning:
[MartAnimE] she seems so devoted too
[Noirlax] kinda makes Ovan even more mysterious
[MartAnimE] Ovan is just using this guild for his own personal gain
[MartAnimE] I get he feeling
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah kinda there's so much I'd like to reveal but so much spoilers in GU
[Noirlax] I really think there is something he's seeking that's for sure. Oh I see
[MartAnimE] Alex, you better start talking after episode 26 XD
[Noirlax] maybe a selfish search
[MartAnimE] again, I have only a vague idea
[MartAnimE] but Ovan's reasons aren't that selfish from what I remember
[ShadowBlazer3000] though Phyllo was the one who introduced them
[MartAnimE] they only seem that way now
[ShadowBlazer3000] Phyllo brings people together
[MartAnimE] Ovan has a noble reason for doing whatever he's doing
[Noirlax] well a personal one
[Noirlax] whatever that is
[MartAnimE] but I still find a character like Shino more sympathetic
[Noirlax] there's also Tabby but she never suffers from anything :smile:
[ShadowBlazer3000] Tabby has her own insecurities
[BeyondTime] She's nako from the neko up.
[MartAnimE] Shino has her own personal reasons too, but she always tries to be honest with the people she's involved with, I really respect that
[Noirlax] I'm sort of joking about Tabby but she does seem very happy go lucky so far
[MartAnimE] Tabby is cute
[MartAnimE] she doesn't know the full extent of what she's involved in
[Noirlax] yeah
[MartAnimE] but that's fine
[MartAnimE] it's just a video game after all
[Noirlax] I think Shino is kind of the responsible leader type in this show but she has humanity and sensivity and vulnerability compared to Ovan who's more cold and aloof
[MartAnimE] yeah totally agree Riki
[MartAnimE] I almost feel like Ovan is using Shino to recruit more members
[MartAnimE] cuz he himself couldn't be bothered with that
[Noirlax] I think Ovan cares about getting the right members, he wanted Haseo but others he didn't really bother himself.
[MartAnimE] he wanted Haseo cuz he had something exceptional about him
[Noirlax] yeah
[MartAnimE] for regular member yeah, can't be bothered
[MartAnimE] actually, isn't he kind of a jerk? XD
[MartAnimE] the show tries to frame him as a good guy
[ShadowBlazer3000] he has a nefarious side to him but he might not entirely given some AHEM circumstances
[MartAnimE] but he comes across as rather selfish and uncaring for me
[Noirlax] well I don't think he's an asshole just a person so hellbent on his cause
[Noirlax] to the extent he ignores people
[MartAnimE] well yeah I know he has his reasons, won't spoil
[MartAnimE] but as of now, he's coming across as a bit of a jerk
[Noirlax] It's been awhile so it's nearly like a first viewing for me :v
[MartAnimE] using his brigade members for his own secret reasons
[MartAnimE] if he would be honest and share stuff with his team that would make him a lot more sympathetic to me
[Noirlax] pretty secretive yeah
[MartAnimE] he is demanding a lot from them so I feel the least he could do is be honest
[MartAnimE] then again, that would make this show half as long XD
[Noirlax] XD all the BT detractors say that, I don't mind if they take their time myself
[MartAnimE] well no, it's not about a show being slow burn for me
[MartAnimE] I myself prefer longer animes
[Noirlax] no I'm not saying you think its bad
[Noirlax] saying I don't mind the convolutedness of it
[MartAnimE] the problem is Ovan is not really the focus of this anime
[MartAnimE] Haseo is
[MartAnimE] by the end you'll understand Haseo, probably
[MartAnimE] but Ovan? you'll have to play the games, I think
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah
[Noirlax] oh right
[MartAnimE] so you get an anime where you get Shino's point of view,
[MartAnimE] Haseo's point of view
[MartAnimE] but not Ovan's
[MartAnimE] first impulse is to think Ovan is a bit of a jerk XD
[MartAnimE] but we'll see
[Noirlax] :smile:
[MartAnimE] it's kind of a blur for me after episode 13 really
[Noirlax] I find the mystery of his character still intrigues me
[MartAnimE] I'm looking forward to it ^^
[MartAnimE] James, any thoughts?
[MartAnimE] I'm interested since it's your first watch
[BeyondTime] I don't know yet.
[BeyondTime] I would say I like Sign better.
[BeyondTime] But this isn't bad.
[MartAnimE] I think we all could agree to that XD
[MartAnimE] but I will still welcome any fresh thoughts ^^
[BeyondTime] I don't really have much beyond that.
[ShadowBlazer3000] tough act to follow
[BeyondTime] Although the yakuza character is entertaining.
[Noirlax] yakuza character?
[MartAnimE] yeah the whole TaN group
[MartAnimE] seems very criminal to me
[ShadowBlazer3000] you mean Tawaraya or Naobi
[BeyondTime] I can't recall his name, but the guy in TaN who is always selling stuff
[BeyondTime] Tawaraya.
[Noirlax] Tawaraya he's interesting to me
[BeyondTime] I don't get the impression he is evil. He's just a hustler.
[MartAnimE] it makes me wonder, yeah you're not a "real" big bad tough criminal, just a rpg thug
[ShadowBlazer3000] In the real world, Tawaraya is a 22 year old college student named Junya Murakami. Near the end of Roots, he goes to study abroad in Australia.
[MartAnimE] but maybe some people will seize whatever chances they get at feeling strong?
[Noirlax] maybe he's studying a MBA? XD
[MartAnimE] MBA?
[ShadowBlazer3000] Masters in Business Association
[MartAnimE] ah :V
[MartAnimE] I do wonder, if TaN is such a big and powerful group, would they go as far as pay for payers's subscriptions?
[MartAnimE] I think that would be a defining factor for me
[ShadowBlazer3000] that might be against TOS but it's possible
[Noirlax] wow
[Noirlax] and Alex I didn't notice your new cute avatar until now XD
[MartAnimE] I just mean, why would you spend your free time bullying others, unless you're being paid for it
[BeyondTime] Isn't it Masters in Business Administration?
[MartAnimE] if you add money to it, it makes more sense to me
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah probably so
[MartAnimE] people do stupid things for money
[ShadowBlazer3000] Admin not Association
[Noirlax] yeah admin
[ShadowBlazer3000] oh finally noticed I changed to Nadeshiko yawning
[Noirlax] lol yeah how cute ^^
[BeyondTime] Sakura's mom?
[MartAnimE] how dare you not be a bee train character XD
[ShadowBlazer3000] lol I was Mio for a while
[MartAnimE] I guess C-Station is more Bee Train than Mio
[ShadowBlazer3000] Mio with glasses
[BeyondTime] Mio gets a free pass in my book.
[MartAnimE] so you get a free pass :V
[MartAnimE] but anyways, what about that .hack//Roots XD
[ShadowBlazer3000] how about that .hack//Roots
[MartAnimE] I was saying
[MartAnimE] how does TaN get such loyalty?
[ShadowBlazer3000] they trade in good and info
[MartAnimE] I'd say, if your whole group's goal is based on interfering with another much smaller group's goal you're a huge loser
[MartAnimE] I just can't respect TaN because they have no originality
[Noirlax] So they are like an in-game conglomerate?
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah it seems so
[MartAnimE] it seems their main goal is to mess with the Twilight Brigade
[ShadowBlazer3000] Naobi wants Ovan
[MartAnimE] that's pretty pathetic wouldn't you say so?
[ShadowBlazer3000] not like they're looking to pick on a small guild as much as they want Ovan
[MartAnimE] to have that much manpower yet your main goal is to mess with a handful of people
[ShadowBlazer3000] compared to Kestrel which just lives to PK
[Noirlax] Naobi is bad he just makes this guild up to get to Ovan's data it seems
[MartAnimE] I just kinda despise people who are so empty that they make their main goal to interfere with other people's goals
[MartAnimE] it sounds very pathetic to me
[MartAnimE] and mean spirited
[Noirlax] well I think it's for personal gain this one but mean spirited nonetheless
[MartAnimE] personal gain, as in, monetary or emotionally personal gain?
[MartAnimE] I know where Ovan stands
[MartAnimE] but not Naobi
[Noirlax] well whatever Naobi will gain from Ovan's data I guess
[Noirlax] money or power mainly I guess
[ShadowBlazer3000] you'll find out
[MartAnimE] in any case, hard to sympathize with TaN at the moment :sweat_smile:
[MartAnimE] they are the bigger group picking on the little guy
[Noirlax] I'd be surprised if you did lol
[MartAnimE] and their goals seem to be defined by what the Twilight Brigade is doing
[ShadowBlazer3000] that Key of the Twilight again
[MartAnimE] this is a big sign for me that they lack character
[MartAnimE] TaN could pursue the Key of the Twilight in their own way, they even have more manpower
[ShadowBlazer3000] hey it's Midnight now Happy Easter
[BeyondTime] Happy Easter
[Noirlax] Happy Easter
[BeyondTime] It seems like Ovan was the goal and not the key.
[MartAnimE] but instead they just stalk the Twilight Brigade and attempt to steal their achievements
[MartAnimE] Happy Easter everyone :rabbit:
[MartAnimE] I really wouldn't join a group like TaN just saying :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
[Noirlax] lol
[Noirlax] that's obvious
[ShadowBlazer3000] Moon Tree would be more your style
[MartAnimE] lol why's that?
[BeyondTime] MoonTree goes out and pets all the animals?
[ShadowBlazer3000] they like to help players
[MartAnimE] well yes, I do think whatever your group's goal is, you shouldn't interfere with other groups unless it's to help them
[MartAnimE] if your whole focus is to interfere with or antagonize someone else you're already a loser in my book
[Noirlax] pretty mean
[MartAnimE] you think my point of view is mean?
[ShadowBlazer3000] I think he's agreeing that TaN is mean
[MartAnimE] oh ok
[BeyondTime] I'm heading to bed. Have a good night you all.
[ShadowBlazer3000] yeah I need to go too
[ShadowBlazer3000] good night
[MartAnimE] bai bai James :dog:
[Noirlax] yeah TaN is mean
[MartAnimE] ***
[Noirlax] bai James
[Noirlax] ***
[MartAnimE] yeah I agree they're mean :expressionless:
[MartAnimE] harnessing such power for something negative rather than positive
[MartAnimE] and bai bai Alex
[MartAnimE] :dog:
[MartAnimE] ***
[MartAnimE] and I guess if we're done we can end this log XD
[MartAnimE] what do you think Riki?
[Noirlax] yeah I think so
[MartAnimE] okies ^^
[Noirlax] ^^
[MartAnimE] ~ THE END ~
