Topic: Too much Bee Train

[Tahaan]

All I have to do to get here is click my toolbar immediately above the Google search bar. BTF is the first item on my Bookmarks toolbar, before a bunch of Japanese/English translators and my blog.

[kavi]

most of the things on my bookmarks bar are Catholic, Cricket, or D&D related, other than a few RSS feeds: megatokyo, Ars Technica, BBC, WoW.com, and the KCRW tracklist

[janus]

When you start typing yayoi lines for caption threads with strong innuendos.

[JP Yuri]

-You have a new nickname for Chloe: Chlo-Chlo.

[noirlax]

When you want to do a sophisticated philosophical analysis of Bee Train anime and the way it's watched.

PS: Bee Train and philosophy will be a far better book than X-Men and philosophy as a book in your opinion.

[noirlax]

You want to start a thread discussing how modernist/postmodernist BT series are.

[kavi]

You want to start a thread discussing how modernist/postmodernist BT series are.

That would be simple: they aren't

[noirlax]

You want to start a thread discussing how modernist/postmodernist BT series are.

That would be simple: they aren't

 Why do you say that? I don't mean they are extremely modernist/postmodernist just which way they lean Wouldn't El Caz's self referential humour be more postmodernist while Noir's leaning towards ambiguity have a more modernist flavour?What would you classify them as then?

[kavi]

Well, let me qualify this by saying I honestly don't know anything about classification of tv shows, in particular, so anything I say I am saying about storytelling in art in general.

I'm not sure if there's anything particularly post-modernist about self-referential humour; some degree of that has been present in stage since time immemorial.

I could say the same thing about ambiguity, and this is especially true of oriental theatre. I would agree that Noir is modernist in terms of Western theatre (both Noir and Madlax have liberal surrelistic and symbolistic elements) but in terms of Japanese art, where anything "conceptual" is traditional and realism is relatively modern, I think it has to be said that Noir in particular is closer to the roots of Japanese visual storytelling than many an anime.

And if there was anything I could relate Bee Train anime (GwG in particular) to in Western art, it is ancient Greek theatre. Such themes as:

• The nature of sin
• The domination (perceived or actual) of fate
• Murder of family members (and/or loved ones) creating personal catharsis (Margaret/Madlax, Mireille, Orestes, Oedipus)
• Hero/Heroine struggling to find identity/purpose in circumstances which are difficult or impossible to control (Limelda, Kirika, Iphegenia, Elektra)
• Hero/Heroine struggling to overcome a predominant, tragic personal experience (Kirika, Margaret, Orestes)
• Characters often 'represent' opposing and complimentary facets of the human being (Madlax/Margaret, Mirelle/Kirika, Orestes/Pylades, Menelaus/Agamemnon, etc)

I could probably go on, but that's what springs to mind... admittedly, I tend to see Greek themes everywhere because of my love of Greek theatre

[noirlax]

Well, let me qualify this by saying I honestly don't know anything about classification of tv shows, in particular, so anything I say I am saying about storytelling in art in general.

I'm not sure if there's anything particularly post-modernist about self-referential humour; some degree of that has been present in stage since time immemorial.

I could say the same thing about ambiguity, and this is especially true of oriental theatre. I would agree that Noir is modernist in terms of Western theatre (both Noir and Madlax have liberal surrelistic and symbolistic elements) but in terms of Japanese art, where anything "conceptual" is traditional and realism is relatively modern, I think it has to be said that Noir in particular is closer to the roots of Japanese visual storytelling than many an anime.

And if there was anything I could relate Bee Train anime (GwG in particular) to in Western art, it is ancient Greek theatre. Such themes as:

• The nature of sin
• The domination (perceived or actual) of fate
• Murder of family members (and/or loved ones) creating personal catharsis (Margaret/Madlax, Mireille, Orestes, Oedipus)
• Hero/Heroine struggling to find identity/purpose in circumstances which are difficult or impossible to control (Limelda, Kirika, Iphegenia, Elektra)
• Hero/Heroine struggling to overcome a predominant, tragic personal experience (Kirika, Margaret, Orestes)
• Characters often 'represent' opposing and complimentary facets of the human being (Madlax/Margaret, Mirelle/Kirika, Orestes/Pylades, Menelaus/Agamemnon, etc)

I could probably go on, but that's what springs to mind... admittedly, I tend to see Greek themes everywhere because of my love of Greek theatre

Fair enough at least you have reasons to sound so dismissive.

[kavi]

Well, I'm hardly an expert on modernism/postmodernism, either. I think perhaps this is another example of Bee Train anime being seen in many different ways

[noirlax]

I guess in some ways we agree, we think stuff like Noir has old school aesthetics, I don't have a tendency to view things in a classical context because I don't know what it is. But I was using this to make some of the conclusions I had

http://nmc.loyola.edu/intro/postmod/table.htm

[kavi]

I guess in some ways we agree, we think stuff like Noir has old school aesthetics, I don't have a tendency to view things in a classical context because I don't know what it is. But I was using this to make some of the conclusions I had

http://nmc.loyola.edu/intro/postmod/table.htm

That's a nice table, and very accurate! If you could elaborate on how some of these ideals are used in Noir, though, that might be interesting.

ps. might be a good idea to migrate to the Noir board though

[AlexShadow]

You get jealous by other anime announcements (A-1 Pictures doing this, Production I.G doing that, etc)  saying to your self "It should be Bee Train!"  (Most of the time anyway other times you're hoping "please don't let it be Bee Train")

[kavi]

You get jealous by other anime announcements (A-1 Pictures doing this, Production I.G doing that, etc)  saying to your self "It should be Bee Train!"  (Most of the time anyway other times you're hoping "please don't let it be Bee Train")

I'd rather a studio did a few things well than many things badly ^^