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Title: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 06, 2007, 03:20:28 PM
Just saw this on http://www.animenewsservice.com/ and my heart stopped:

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1-6-07 (12:47PM EST)---- Unofficial Noir / Madlax Sequel - El-Cazador

Scheduled to begin broadcast in April, 2007 is the El-Cazador anime TV series. Confirmed staff include Dirtector: Koichi Mashimo (Noir, Eat Man, .Hack), Character Designs: Yoko Kikuchi (Noir), Series Composition: Kanemaki Kenichi (Jigoku Shoujo), Music: Yuki Kajiura (Noir, Eat Man, . Hack), Animation Production: Bee Train. Official Site: www.elcazador.tv (http://www.elcazador.tv/). The story centers on characters Ellice and bounty hunter Nadi. Following Noir and Madlax, this will be the thrid installment in a series of what Director Koichi Mashimo has referred to as his girls-with-guns genre trilogy. Look for spreads and images in the current crop of anime magazines making their way into Japanese retail outlets this next week.

 :o

Nothing on the website just yet, but I'll be watching it closely...

A quick round of Google shows "El Cazador" to be an American comic book by Chuck Dixon (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/107891679583754.htm)  about a female pirate captain -- but the names don't match the announcement, so I think it's just a coincidence.

It would also seem to be a famous shipwreck.

Means "The Hunter" in Spanish (according to Bablefish; anyone more versed in Spanish feel free to interject with any subtleties it might imply), so there's a number of movies with that in the title.

Moonphase is a little more terse on the subject:

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2007/04 (*) エル・カザド   監督 : 真下耕一 / キャラデザ : 菊池洋子
シリーズ構成 : 金巻兼一 / アニメ制作 : ビィートレイン

Which bablefish comes up with as:
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2007/04 (*) L kazado   
Supervision: Koichi under truth/ kiyaradeza: Youko Kikuchi
Series constitution: Gold volume and one/animation production: biitorein

That's all I'm able to find online so far.  I'm going to check the forums next.


Ahh, reading animesuki, there's more to Moonphase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070106#p3) that I was missing!  Here's a pic:
(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=990&g2_serialNumber=1)

...hopefully better pics soon.

Translation of the diary item (via google):
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With suspicion of murder, the large sum [erisu] which the 懸 [ke] and others [re] [te] is encounters with [nadei] of the prize income in reverse side society. If you become aware, [nadei] which has become the predicament where by your are chased from the hunters volunteers role of the guide in [erisu] where we would like to pinpoint past truth. It follows to “NOIR” “MADLAX”, the completion compilation of the Koichi director beauty girl cancer/gun action third section work under the truth.
Sure, whatever.  :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 06, 2007, 04:47:21 PM
Hm... Some guy posted the title on the Pedia this morning but it wasn't sourced so I didn't pay much attention... What confused me was that El Cazador is the title of an existing comic book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cazador) while the previous two works were original. But you say, it's probably a coincidence? May well be, seeing that Madlax was a totally unrelated company (http://www.madlax.com/)'s name long before 2004...

Anyway, if that is indeed what we hope it to be... my, I'm gonna throw a party when the official PR comes out! (http://dragons.rpg-zone.ru/forum/images/smiles/friends.gif) (http://dragons.rpg-zone.ru/forum/images/smiles/rockit.gif)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on January 06, 2007, 05:14:22 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 06, 2007, 05:33:11 PM
A couple of more tidbits about Kanemaki Kenichi from what I found on ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=358)...

He wrote "Agent Aika" and some of it's slightly-less-hentai-esque sequel "Najica Blitz Tactics".  Both are very fun, albiet very R-rated-racy fanservicefests, girls-with-guns series.  I've been in the middle of rewatching Najica lately, and I've got to post a surprise from "Aika" in the "Lookalike" thread  -- quite a shocker there.

Also wrote a lot of "Saber Marionette", among other things.

I'm not familiar with many of the other things he had a substantial role in, though. So I don't know what this bodes.  But with the Najica/Aika connection, I'm guessing this one may tend a bit "lighter".  Though I doubt it will go as far in the blatant "fanservice" department, as that would break one of the underpinnings of the trilogy thus far.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 06, 2007, 06:34:50 PM
Speaking of which, ANN has got an entry (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7509) on the topic already... I could've sworn it wasn't there when I checked this morning. :) Plus, apparently, someone started an entry on the AniDB but it got deleted (ID=4966 (http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=4966))...

Oh, BTW I've watched this Kenichi guy's "Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien" and was quite happy with the plot complexity. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on January 06, 2007, 07:11:55 PM
OMG that is great  ;D , I was so happy to see the next production will be in April. Well to me “The Hunter" is the right translation for "El Cazador" I’m Portuguese so my language and Spanish are very similar.

I hope the fanservice part is just a coincidence, but to tell the true he has a lot in his previews work and for freaking out more about it, I can not believe he had done Labyrinth of Flames script, that is like the worst OVA I ever seen in my whole life with tons of stupid fanservice. I have a bad feeling about this and the name "El Cazador" is very poor, it sound to me like a Mexican movie with a lot of crazy action, I was expecting something better for the supposedly third series.

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 06, 2007, 08:30:30 PM
A couple of more tidbits about Kanemaki Kenichi from what I found on ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=358)...

He wrote "Agent Aika" and some of it's slightly-less-hentai-esque sequel "Najica Blitz Tactics". 
The "Agent Aika" connection continues...  Apparanetly, Yoko Kikuchi  (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/encyclopedia/people.php?id=345) actually was a character designer of both Aika and Noir... and when you see my post in the near future, you'll see just how insane that is.   :o

Quote from: Mihura
I have a bad feeling about this and the name "El Cazador" is very poor, it sound to me like a Mexican movie with a lot of crazy action
ha-ha-ha-ha!   :D  I was going to post a few examples of crazy-action Mexican (and Argentinian) movies that I found via Google, but yeah, you pretty much called it!

Oh, and Yoko Kikuchi was involved in "Labyrinth of Flames" as well....   :-[  Uh-oh...

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 06, 2007, 08:31:33 PM
 ZOMG!!!!!!!111111111 :o :o :o This is great!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D Geez, I turn around for just a little bit and I miss the biggest scoop ever since this fansite was born! gah :P You know for a second there I almost thought this "third one" was just a mith!!! ^^; I almost can't believe it! Oh wow! Cool! Go Bee-Train! You made my day! I'm very very happy like I haven't been in a while! ^^

 Now, after the initial shock *ahem*... ^^; like Mihura said, "El Cazador" means "The Hunter" indeed! Maybe it should be pointed out that it refers specifically to the masculine form of the word, implying the hunter is supposed to be a male... I wonder if that's relevant... :P
 Anyway, I'm very excited with the Staff!!! As for what I could sort out from the story I suppose the tall girl must be some sort of bounty hunter so the short girl would be the one in the wanted poster? Notice the tall one has long hair and the other one has short hair!!! Heh, I'm loving this!!! ;D I could bet the short one will be voiced by Houko Kuwashima!!! ;D

I have a bad feeling about this and the name "El Cazador" is very poor, it sound to me like a Mexican movie with a lot of crazy action, I was expecting something better for the supposedly third series.

 Heh, it might sound lame cuz we're so familiar with the language that it sounds cheap or cheesy, but for the japanese it must be extremelly cool sounding! And yeah, I also think it has this western feel to it, but that doesn't say a thing about the depth of the story and characters, all we have is a setting! But think of what Bee-Train can do with a western setting!!! ;D We should at least give it the benefict of the doubt don't you think? :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 06, 2007, 10:49:47 PM
Here's a somewhat accurate translation of the synopsis:

http://www.moedosed.com/2007/01/06/%e3%80%8cnoir%e3%80%8d-%e2%86%92-%e3%80%8cmadlax%e3%80%8d-%e2%86%92-%e3%80%8cel-cazador%e3%80%8d-site-news/
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 07, 2007, 05:07:53 AM
Well, Western setting is nothing particularly bad per se... Look at what Joss Whedon has made out of it - you think Mashimo isn't, at least, just as good? ;)

Thanks so much for the link, Marta! It looks like the "Hunters" are actually the Soldats/Enfant of the series... OMG, they've used Spanish instead of French - blasphemy!  ;D

PS: Here is a more condensed link:

http://www.moedosed.com/2007/01/06/「noir」-→-「madlax」-→-「el-cazador」-site-news/ (http://www.moedosed.com/2007/01/06/「noir」-→-「madlax」-→-「el-cazador」-site-news/)

PPS: Oh, and that site has actually got an entry on "Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora"! What else can one wish for? %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on January 07, 2007, 10:00:56 AM
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Heh, it might sound lame cuz we're so familiar with the language that it sounds cheap or cheesy, but for the japanese it must be extremelly cool sounding! And yeah, I also think it has this western feel to it, but that doesn't say a thing about the depth of the story and characters, all we have is a setting! But think of what Bee-Train can do with a western setting!!! Grin We should at least give it the benefict of the doubt don't you think? Smiley

Well that is actually right because to Japanese the Spanish language is something obscure and exotic but I was talking about my first impression because that was what I felt when I first see the title and the picture.

I have to admit that the Western setting and the synopsis is make me believe that this is going to be really different from the previews ones, we don’t have any French connection, no amnesia people so diversity is kind of welcome, maybe it could turn to be  good.

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PPS: Oh, and that site has actually got an entry on "Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora"! What else can one wish for? %)

Isn't that like the unofficial sequel of Kannazuki no Miko? lol I like the artwork but the storyline of Kyoshiro to Towa no Sora seem to suck big time.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Cyberia on January 07, 2007, 10:04:16 AM
Yeah  :D my first thought was Cowboy Bepop as I saw the pic.

The music is from our Yuki so of course it would be fine  :P

I'm all on edge how they realize this genre "Western"
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 07, 2007, 10:23:36 AM
I have to admit that the Western setting and the synopsis is make me believe that this is going to be a really different from the previews ones, we don’t have any French connection, no amnesia people so diversity is kind of welcome, maybe it could turn to be a good.

 Well, as for the french connection, maybe they will have some sort of oil platform in the middle of the desert that resembles the Eiffel Tower! ^^;
 Oh, and I think Ellis, the wanted girl, might be an amnesiac! In that synopsis they say "She meets up with a bounty hunter named Nadi who offers her help and guidance to pursue the truth of her past"! I suppose it would be expected of someone who pursues the truth of her past to be an amnesiac! :)

It looks like the "Hunters" are actually the Soldats/Enfant of the series... OMG, they've used Spanish instead of French - blasphemy!  ;D

 Well it is a bit disapointing that the "enemy organization french name" rule doesn't confirm. :P We still have no official confirmation if the bad guys' organization name is gonna be named "hunters" (as it was refered to in that synopsis), or "El Cazador" (most probably ^^; ), which would sound weird when refering to a group, since it's a singular name, though Madlax's "Enfant" is a singular name too so I guess it's acceptable... :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on January 07, 2007, 10:45:30 AM
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Oh, and I think Ellis, the wanted girl, might be an amnesiac! In that synopsis they say "She meets up with a bounty hunter named Nadi who offers her help and guidance to pursue the truth of her past"! I suppose it would be expected of someone who pursues the truth of her past to be an amnesiac! Smiley

Well yes, perhaps is something like that but it has a good chance to be related with the murder, like Mireille story she wasn't amnesiac but she like Ellis “pursues the truth of her past.”
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 07, 2007, 10:59:47 AM
Well yes, perhaps is something like that but it has a good chance to be related with the murder, like Mireille story she wasn't amnesiac but she like Ellis “pursues the truth of her past.”

 Yup indeed, though I'm assuming the wanted girl is gonna be the "kirika character" of this series, so being amnesiac should be sort of a requirement! The fact she's wanted for murder by this criminal organization makes me think she might have been framed by them! Or maybe she trully did murder someone and she just doesn't remember it...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on January 07, 2007, 11:25:41 AM
Yup indeed, though I'm assuming the wanted girl is gonna be the "kirika character" of this series, so being amnesiac should be sort of a requirement! The fact she's wanted for murder by this criminal organization makes me think she might have been framed by them! Or maybe she trully did murder someone and she just doesn't remember it...

You are right the girl in the wanted picture is the "Kirika character" but Madlax was more the "Mireille character" and was amnesic so we never know loooooooooooool I just want to believe that this is going to be different and maybe we should wait to see.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 07, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
From my perspective, just about anything can be made with the stated premise - including the Noir-ish or Madlax-esque series. :) Amnesiac heroines are great, of course, but up till now noone has yet surpassed what Bioware did with amnesia in the "Knights of the Old Republic", so I'm fine without it, too...

Plus, Madlax also started pretty much like any (Vietnam) war movie and turned out to be a psychological thriller of the highest level in the end. %)

Oh, and if the new series reminds me of anything right now, then it'd be Avenger. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 07, 2007, 01:53:06 PM
I just got a quick reply from my friend Makoto over in Japan (graciously translated late at night by his wife Keiko).  He just blogged about it briefly (http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2ftenchyo%2eseesaa%2enet%2f) (Google translation, kind of tough to read), but here's some tidbits:

He actually talked with Shigeru Kitayama (producer of Noir & MADLAX) a while ago, and he said they were working on the project, but asked him not to say anything until it was announced.  That explains why he was a bit vague in his last reply to my question about any new Bee Train rumors, I guess. :)

However, he had just talked with a director from Bee Train while he was at Comiket, who was saying there were problems with the script and it was stalled.  That was only about a week ago, so I figure that may still be the case, even though they seem to be going ahead with the promotionals  (this week's Japanese NewType will have the spread, I believe -- he'll let me know specifically which issue).

Oh, and that crazy liner note in the last MADLAX disc from Mashimo, where he describes the "Next series", about "Awkward witches" (a "spacey witch" and a "crazy witch") being "doggedly pursued", which he was going to call "MAD & LAX" -- that had really confused me because it sounded like he was talking about, well, MADLAX.  Well, supposedly he really *was* talking about the next series, but with the title, everyone thought he was joking.

Don't know if it actually literally means witchcraft is involved, but I kind of doubt it.  We'll see.  If that liner note isn't already posted, I'll post it in a bit.

Finally, not in his email, but in the translation of his blog, there's this tidbit:
Quote from: Makoto
This time with the South America the stage, the rudder inlet girl (ed. Yuki Kajiura), it went to collection of data in Peru, so is. With as for the notion that where you say, Latin sound being able to hear the rudder inlet (ed. Kajiura) paragraph?

So I think that says two things -- the setting of the series is in South America, and that Yuki Kajiura went to Peru, ostensibly to sample the music.  I'll confirm with him, but either way, that sounds pretty awesome.

More to follow, I'm sure...

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 07, 2007, 02:01:52 PM
Wow, South America sounds much cooler than Western! Maybe the characters ARE witches, whose goal would be to uncover the secrets of the Incan magic or something... And these Hunters are gonna be some evil European superpower's (cough, France, cough) agents who are after the same thing. =)

PS: Fellini has started an article on the subj at our wiki, so please, anyone should feel free to add any interesting information to it if they find some. :)

http://www.beetrainfan.org/wiki/index.php?title=El_Cazador
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 07, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
PS: Fellini has started an article on the subj at our wiki, so please, anyone should feel free to add any interesting information to it if they find some. :)

http://www.beetrainfan.org/wiki/index.php?title=El_Cazador

 Well, I changed the name from "Ellice" to "Ellis" cuz that's how they spell it on the wanted poster. I suppose we should go with the official thing, and so far that pic is the most official thing we have! ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 07, 2007, 02:34:26 PM
From MADLAX disc 7 (translated from the Japanese disc 13):


STAFF TALK #13

MAD & LAX The Awkward Witches

KOICHI MASHIMO (DIRECTOR)


A witch hunt...

Crosses and torches - or rather, freedom and cameras and PCs -- doggedly pursue the witches.  In a conversation that's been cut off, is it cowardly to run away?  Does avoiding a fight mean being defeated by violence? A smart portion of them transform into normal people and go to ground until the storm has passed. (For the remainder of their lives... most never loving and being loved by another...) But meanwhile, what of the awkward witches who have nowhere left to run to...?

"Awkward witches" depicted in the common-man's drawing style called "different moments, same picture."* Don't agonize about yourself, don't hide yourself, don't be afraid of yourself! Heretics should believe and fight!  Now, the time of the full moon has come.  O awkward witches, peel off the mask called kindness and draw your guns with a smile!

As you've already figured out, I'm talking here about the third and final part of my trilogy.  I've decided to title it MAD & LAX.  The shady lives of two killers, a crazy witch and a spacey witch...  Respectable society, which both entraps us and ensures public peace -- we'll shoot it full of holes (with a feeling of gratitude)!

*Translator's Note: This is a Japanese visual narrative technique called iji douzu, where within the same picture the same characters appear multiple times taking seperate actions in seperate moments of time.




I dunno.  I still think he's describing MADLAX here.  Supposedly the original Japanese sounds just as crazy, so there may not be as much lost in translation as I first suspected.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: artent on January 07, 2007, 04:25:55 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

drool drool

too excited to post any meaningful reply.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 07, 2007, 06:23:49 PM
Another pic surfaced:
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7707/011dz3jc6.th.jpg) (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=011dz3jc6.jpg)

It's a photo of one of the NewType spreads, I figure.

(Two different French Shojou-ai forums have linked to the info in my blog, and one of them had this pic)

...So, can anyone identify that gun yet? 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on January 07, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
It looks like a M-1911 aka Colt .45.  This is based on the grip, hand protection/hammer, and the intented front. 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on January 07, 2007, 07:27:04 PM
So, judging by the picture, this time the chick with the cloak will use guns, not knives? Now, that's new.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Cyberia on January 07, 2007, 07:57:55 PM
Looks like the sister of Camus from "Meine Liebe"  ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 07, 2007, 08:28:44 PM
That image definitely looks better! :D After looking at it for a while... Oh my god!!!! I just realized something!!! :o The short girl, Ellis, is a mix between Mireille and Kirika and the tall one, Nadi, is a mix between Madlax and Margaret!!! Muahahah!!! *maniacal laugh* This is just perfect!!! ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 08, 2007, 12:46:30 AM
That image definitely looks better! :D After looking at it for a while... Oh my god!!!! I just realized something!!! :o The short girl, Ellis, is a mix between Mireille and Kirika and the tall one, Nadi, is a mix between Madlax and Margaret!!! Muahahah!!! *maniacal laugh* This is just perfect!!! ;D

Oh, THAT's what they meant by "a further connection between the first two installments is possible"... ;D

Btw, Fellini, how about backing all associated images up in our gallery? I don't trust external hostings... Also, I've seen that you've already uploaded the very first picture there. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: trfanatic on January 08, 2007, 01:09:31 PM
Third series?? Mashimo? Kikuchi? Kajiura??? :o *Too speechless to reply with anything else*
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Chocolatt on January 09, 2007, 06:12:36 AM
I can't help but notice the new style of eyes compared to Noir and Madlax... heh. I like to think that sort of detail really speaks. Hmn... such a frail girl committed murder?! I'll even go as far to say she's half the size of Margaret. (looks around waiting for irony to smack her senseless)

Geez, I can't wait until April.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on January 09, 2007, 10:10:23 AM
I am very excited about this. I was almost giving up hope there for a while ^^; You know, it almost reminds me of Avenger in a sense: the costume and character design (other then the sly smile) of Nadi reminds me of Layla Ashley and Ellis reminds me of Nei. In a sense with deserts and hunters, it seems to be similar in a sense, but I'm glad it is set in South America.

One aspect of these series often overlooked is the religious supernatural element involved, and if anything, I can definitely believe there will be more of the tribal element, if set in Peru, as there was in Madlax.

I absolutely loved the jungle and nature themes in Madlax, and I definitely am looking forward to more rain forest gun battles ^^; As for inconsistencies, I kind of like them because they throw us off. Plus I'd rather a group as creative as Bee Train not to feel compelled to stick with a formula if they feel they could spice things up and be a bit more interesting in another way.

"Quotes", in the musical sense of the word, by seemingly featuring familiar melodies from previous works and other artist's works, can be nice, but as in the case of Pirates of the Caribbean 2, they don't work out so well, though enjoyed in the first instance, with subsequent viewings. I'd rather them trip us up and try some things completely new ^^.

I really like the spread with Nadi! She seems like she is going to be a witty, energetic character, though perhaps more hot-headed, in comparison with the calm passiveness of Madlax, which is a refreshing change. (I suppose I'm still coming off the high I got after the new rugged, brash James Bond). I also really like the new eye style.

We'll definitely have to see how this develops. Will there be a trailer?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 09, 2007, 10:27:51 AM
I can't help but notice the new style of eyes compared to Noir and Madlax...


IMO that's pretty much the same look as the one they've given to M&K on the cover of that recent Noir re-release...

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such a frail girl committed murder?! I'll even go as far to say she's half the size of Margaret. (looks around waiting for irony to smack her senseless)

I assume because of your remark that you are well aware of a certain Kirika's frailness that didn't hinder her firing an M16 rifle in long bursts... ;)

I was almost giving up hope there for a while ^^;

Well, personally, I've always been certain that the third installment will be announced in the beginning of 2007, so it wasn't really much of a shock. %) My logic was: Noir -> 2001, Madlax -> 2004, BTGWG3 -> 2007. :)

PS: Btw, about their eyes... I think, UNtrue and I have once confirmed that the new styling looks a bit like that in Simoun. Can it be that some Bee Train PR manager visited our forum, observed how active we've been in the Simoun thread and decided to expand the definition of "fanservice" a little?  :o
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 09, 2007, 12:01:45 PM
http://www.elcazador.tv/

 The site is up with more than just the title now!!! Check it out now!!! :D

 More pretty art and... wow a new part of the title? "el cazador de la bruja" which means "the witch hunter"!!! Heh this sounds like a very relevant and important new part of information!!! It seems like that bit of Staff Talk from Koichi Mashimo was right to the point after all!!! As it should be expected of him I guess!!! ;D

 Oh btw, in the wanted poster it is quite visible now that the name the short girl goes by, Ellis, is in fact an alias, so we really don't know her real name, which I think  is a strong indication that she might not know her real name herself, and therefore she's an amnesiac! ^^

 Now with the pretty pics:

 Full Title
(http://www.elcazador.tv/img/logo_e.gif)

 Ellis Wanted Poster
(http://www.elcazador.tv/img/poster.gif)

 Japanese Title
(http://www.elcazador.tv/img/logo.gif)

 
Cool Pic with both Main Characters (http://www.elcazador.tv/img/top_visual.jpg)
^ oh just noticed, it looks like Nadi has an earing on her left ear, like Madlax did!

 I also agree on the Avenger's similarities, I think as of now I'd say Nadi is a mix of Madlax, Margaret and Layla and Ellis is a mix of Kirika , Mireille and Nei! I'm looking forward to see other characters from this series! :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 09, 2007, 01:13:35 PM
^ oh just noticed, it looks like Nadi has an earing on her left ear, like Madlax did!

And she's probably hiding a Pegasus logo under that cloak. ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on January 09, 2007, 04:17:13 PM
It is interesting that the name is "el cazador de la bruja" because now the article makes more sense.

The shady lives of two killers, a crazy witch and a spacey witch...
So the two are killers and one is crazy lol that make me think which one is which and what is a spacey witch? lol. To me “witch” seem to be someone that is frame by a society and if anyone does not obey them and ask to many wrong questions they are hunted or kill. 

About the images, they are in bar with alcohol drinks so maybe they are 18 or 21 years old but Ellis seem to be drinking orange juice maybe she is more young then that lol. Other thing is that Ellis has brighter skin and blond hair she maybe from another country, European maybe, France? lol.

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on January 09, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
I also noticed that the wanted poster is done by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI? What the heck ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 09, 2007, 07:23:20 PM
Here's a larger version of the first picture; essentially a digiphoto of the first page of the NewType article, I guess:

http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=992&g2_serialNumber=1

Not all that great quality, much like the other one.  The new pics from the site are a little more useful.

It'd be nice to find translations of the article (let alone better scans).  *sigh*

More later, if I find anything...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 09, 2007, 07:25:00 PM
And she's probably hiding a Pegasus logo under that cloak. ^^;

 Heh, I seriously doubt it. ^^; Though maybe she could have a white horse (she has the cowboy boots after all :P)! That would be cool! ^^

So the two are killers and one is crazy lol that make me think which one is which and what is a spacey witch? lol. To me “witch” seem to be someone that is frame by a society and if anyone does not obey them and ask to many wrong questions they are hunted or kill.

 Well if a "witch" is someone who has been framed by society because they represent a threat to their ideals then a "spacey witch" must be a person who is unaware of the danger she got herself into by, intentionally or unintentionally, defying said society's ideals...
 If I had to guess, at first sight I would think Nadi appears to have more potential to "crazy" than Ellis (which definitely doesn't appear to be the sort of person you would expect to be a suspect of murder), but, like Chocolatt mentioned before, I am so expecting the irony of her physical appearance aswell! ^^;

About the images, they are in bar with alcohol drinks so maybe they are 18 or 21 years old but Ellis seem to be drinking orange juice maybe she is more young then that lol. Other thing is that Ellis has brighter skin and blond hair she maybe from another country, European maybe, France? lol.

 I wonder if they would care that much about legal age drinking in a country where they're posting "wanted dead or alive 1.000.000 $ reward" posters around! To me that's quite the sign of lack of civilization... it encourages bounty hunting and the sorts... ^^;
 Ellis obviously looks younger than Nadi but Madlax and Margaret were the same age so we shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet! I'd say they're both younger than 20 though, just an hunch... :P
 If Ellis was French that would be cool! At least we'd have the "french connection" without the need for the "pseudo Eiffel Tower" thing. ^^;

I also noticed that the wanted poster is done by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI? What the heck ^^;

 Yeah, I saw that too. Must have been some important murder, for the FBI to be in charge if the investigation! :-\ Though I think the FBI as we know it isn't the sort to encourage bounty hunting like that! ^^; But then again, who knows, this is probably set in a distant future anyway... :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Chocolatt on January 10, 2007, 08:03:09 PM
IMO that's pretty much the same look as the one they've given to M&K on the cover of that recent Noir re-release...

hmn. hmn. xD what does IMO mean? (feels the newbiness seep in... aaaaaaaaaahhhh...)

From Mashimo's little introduction about El Cazador, I feel like I'm about to rediscover Joseph Conrad's The Heart of Darkness--redefining "civilization," underlining human dualism, caressing insanity...

"Awkward witches" depicted in the common-man's drawing style called "different moments, same picture."*

*Translator's Note: This is a Japanese visual narrative technique called iji douzu, where within the same picture the same characters appear multiple times taking seperate actions in seperate moments of time.

Another "seperated worlds colliding" theme?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: UNtrue Noir on January 10, 2007, 08:47:27 PM
*delayed reaction* OMGOMG!! IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED! FINALLY! XD

Now I have something to look forward to in April!

I was too lazy to read all of those posts, but I just gotta say. El Cazador de la Bruja? That sounds so.. unoriginal. Isn't there already an anime like that? Like. Witch Hunter Robin?  Lol. As much as I love Spanish, it's just so cheesy. Why didn't they stick with the French name motif? Consistency is nice.

But whatever. That picture looks hot, I can't wait for it to come out. I just hope that everyone (or most) from Noir and Madlax come back. It wouldn't be the same without them.  :[
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 11, 2007, 01:29:25 AM
hmn. hmn. xD what does IMO mean? (feels the newbiness seep in... aaaaaaaaaahhhh...)

Oh, haven't you seen? It's been discussed some time ago on the Noir forum, but the topic went down rather quickly...

http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/m-serve/tv/noir/collectorsbox/

I was too lazy to read all of those posts, but I just gotta say. El Cazador de la Bruja? That sounds so.. unoriginal. Isn't there already an anime like that? Like. Witch Hunter Robin?  Lol. As much as I love Spanish, it's just so cheesy. Why didn't they stick with the French name motif? Consistency is nice.

That's what you get for being lazy. :P First, we have already speculated that the French connection may actually be Ellis herself, as well as the mandatory amnesiac girl. Secondly, judging by Mashimo's comments, the series will be about the hunted witches themselves, rather than about witch-hunters per se, like WHR was. =)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: UNtrue Noir on January 11, 2007, 07:06:37 AM
Oh. Hehe.. ^^;

Ok fine. Just for you (and my dignity) Koveras, I will read this whole thread. Next time.  ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 11, 2007, 09:42:52 AM
Hm, it's my first success in the PR management field. Maybe I should consider making a career?.. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 11, 2007, 12:07:46 PM
IMO that's pretty much the same look as the one they've given to M&K on the cover of that recent Noir re-release...

hmn. hmn. xD what does IMO mean? (feels the newbiness seep in... aaaaaaaaaahhhh...)

hmn. hmn. xD what does IMO mean? (feels the newbiness seep in... aaaaaaaaaahhhh...)

Oh, haven't you seen? It's been discussed some time ago on the Noir forum, but the topic went down rather quickly...

http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/m-serve/tv/noir/collectorsbox/

 Funny... I would have thought Chocolatt was actually asking for what does "IMO" stands for instead of asking about the character's look on the Noir re-release... :-\

 "IMO" stands for "in my opinion" btw (which stands for "by the way")... ^^;
 Oh and "AFAIK" stands for "as far as I know" apparentely (that one took me a while to realise... :P )
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 11, 2007, 12:12:05 PM
Oh sorry, my bad. %) I pay little attention to small details like expressions and words myself, so I assumed Chocolatt was asking about the contents of my message. *smacks himself silly* Oh, and that was probably partially caused by the absence of quotation marks around the "IMO". %)

PS: I wonder what punishment for me will Fellini come up with for such blatant offtopic?.. =)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 11, 2007, 12:14:58 PM
 Heh it's fine, I guess I pay too much attention to little details... ^^;
Title: "El Cazador" NewType translation!
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 11, 2007, 06:20:15 PM
I'm going to post a translation of the article that appeared in Newtype and Animage  that was just sent to me by my friends Makoto and Keiko.  I'm planning on cleaning it up a bit and posting it as a real article, along with scans of the magazines themselves (which are on their way via post).  But this stuff is too juicy to sit on!   ;D


page 49, "Animage" February 2007

Here comes the last stage of girls-with-guns trilogy

Ellis, who Leviathan produced, has witch's DNAs. Nadie who is a bounty hunter chases Ellis and later they get together to try to find out what's what. They go down to Ellis' hometown. Since this story is more than Western by Sergio Leone and "Desperado", it definitely entertains you. Kenichi Kanemaki known by "Negima!?", "Tsukiyomi","Jigoku shoujo"was invited as a screenwriter. We look forward to watching it.

The Interview with director, Koichi Mashimo: "The story is serious and direction is harder."

Q This story follows "NOIR"and "MADLAX."

A I have made the original stories with Shigeru Kitayama of Victor. But one day I was interviewed and unconsciously said "I'd like to make a trilogy."So I told him about it and said "Next, what are we gonna make?" This trilogy happens to be girls -with -guns lines but actually what I made was adolescent movies.

Q What fascinates us?
A Oh,give me a break! We always have hectic days. Anyway, a killer, a mercenary or a bounty hunter, no matter what the heroines are, they happened to be and they feel their life is ordinary. There is adolescence, too. They live now but their world is almost fantasy and unrealistic. That fascinates you.

Q What do you want to express most in "EL CAZADOR"?
A It is common to "NOIR" and "MADLAX"... Ordinary girls live in the springtime in the extraordinary world. I'd like to emphasize this point more this time. Since Mexico or Latin America is the stage for this story, I want them to venture their fate positively,like what's going on is serious but they laugh it away and keep on going forward. But actually I admit that it's not easy to direct it.

Q Did Spaghetti Westerns and Tarantino's movies influence this story?
A Yep, in a way, I mean I'm sure serious gun maniacs will get angry(laugh.)  Don't say, "No one shoots like this!" or "how to shoot is unusual!" I hope they will accept them as props. I'd like the characters to play to the gallery. I know some people didn't like that. But I prefer such silly stuff and bluff.

Q Tell me Ellis and Nadie's appeal.
A Ellis is green, naive and innocent but she is a nihilist and slippery; meanwhile, Nadie seems an easygoing wanderer but actually she has very heavy stuff in the depth of her heart. They seem to make a contrast with each other but actually they are ordinary girls and alike; they don't want to be hurt. I believe that people also feel they're smart.


Inserts for the characters:

Ellis is wanted as a murder suspect of a physicist, Heintz. She was produced by Leviathan and has witch's DNA.

Nadie is a bounty hunter. She tries to find Ellis' hometown with her. She has a 45-caliber gun, Colt Government.



Well how about that?  ;D  A Sergio Leone spaghetti western (anyone remember this thread (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php/topic,47.0.html)?), taking place in "Mexico or Latin America" (the Peru connection was due to Yuki Kajiura's research trip, not necessarily from any other hard data, I think; but "South America" is still in play, I figure).

The production "group" for the series is named "Leviathan" as well, and it sounds like it may be the big, evil organization lurking in the shadow.

And Nadie's gun is a .45 Colt Govenment.  And, Mashimo is poking fun at the "gun maniacs"...  Gee, we don't have any of those on this board, do we?   ???



EDIT: Corrected "Animege" to be "Animage"...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Chocolatt on January 11, 2007, 08:57:02 PM
Oh sorry, my bad. %) I pay little attention to small details like expressions and words myself, so I assumed Chocolatt was asking about the contents of my message. *smacks himself silly* Oh, and that was probably partially caused by the absence of quotation marks around the "IMO".

o.o 
internet jargon. i'll get it!  ;) thanks, MartA and Koveras. btw (<--ah-ha! ;)), I hadn't seen the re-release either. :-X :-X (blasphemy?)

Q Did Spaghetti Westerns and Tarantino's movies influence this story?
A Yep, in a way, I mean I'm sure serious gun maniacs will get angry(laugh.)  Don't say, "No one shoots like this!" or "how to shoot is unusual!" I hope they will accept them as props. I'd like the characters to play to the gallery. I know some people didn't like that. But I prefer such silly stuff and bluff.

that just made me laugh outright. i especially get some flashbacks of Madlax ep. 1... 19-13:27... 19-13:31... dresses... eh... I still find it slightly absurd and a little disturbing... just never seen Death so graceful...

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Q Tell me Ellis and Nadie's appeal.
A Ellis is green, naive and innocent but she is a nihilist and slippery; meanwhile, Nadie seems an easygoing wanderer but actually she has very heavy stuff in the depth of her heart. They seem to make a contrast with each other but actually they are ordinary girls and alike; they don't want to be hurt. I believe that people also feel they're smart.

I pulled out dictionary.com because nihilist isn't in my vocabulary. I guess I have an excuse to use it now!!

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ni·hil·ism [nahy-uh-liz-uhm, nee-]
–noun
1. total rejection of established laws and institutions. 
2. anarchy, terrorism, or other revolutionary activity. 
3. total and absolute destructiveness, esp. toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years. 
4. Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth
b. nothingness or nonexistence. 
5. (sometimes initial capital letter) the principles of a Russian revolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century, holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyed in order to clear the way for a new state of society and employing extreme measures, including terrorism and assassination. 
6. annihilation of the self, or the individual consciousness, esp. as an aspect of mystical experience. 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on January 12, 2007, 12:12:18 AM
Maybe some of the series will take place in Argentina, colonized by the French.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 12, 2007, 12:35:02 AM
If I manage to get my laptop running and connect it to the University W-Lan today, I'll expand our wiki article greatly. %) Meanwhile, I'd need some formal data on that interview: primarily, the name of the author.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: artent on January 12, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
I was getting a little learly of this since magic didn't strike me to well, but now that I know its going to be kinda like a Sergio Leone movie I'm back to %400 excitment.



On a related note, I think the name is just fine, I mean it's no weirder then MADLAX as a title.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on January 13, 2007, 01:07:56 PM
>>bing>> I win the prize... actually it makes since because the setting is in South and Central America that they would be using guns from that part of the world in keeping with trends.  The Colt Government is officially the Colt 1911A1 .45 ACP.  Knowing these guys, it will be the original and not a copy.  Yeah!

And now on to more important subjects, FBI is not responsible for wanted persons outside of the United States of America, the CIA is, so there is a problem unless South and Central America are going to be part of the Estados Unidos de America - USA in Spanish.  Actually, the name is pretty neat; hope it does not have to be changed because of the comic book.  (copyright protection - reason).  I can not wait to see what they define as a "witch", a person who can manipulate matter? distort space? travel through time? psychic powers?

How about a Series Discussion for "El Cazador?"
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 14, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
Actually, the name is pretty neat; hope it does not have to be changed because of the comic book.  (copyright protection - reason).

Well, if they ever do get sued, the comic's authors will have a hard time explaining THEIR copyright violation: in 1991, there was a movie bearing the same title. =)

[edited]

Btw, regarding the future setting of the subj: I believe, Mashimo ain't sure himself where it's gonna take place, Mexico or South America. %) I mean, Gazth-Sonika, as we all know, is allegedly located in south-western Asia, however, AFAIK geography, there are no such lush jungles in that part of our sorry planet, just the deserts and highland plateaus... Meaning that they deliberately wanted to create a mix of the Gaza Strip and, say, Vietnam.

Same here: judging by all that witches and DNA modification talk going on, Mashimo isn't gonna confine himself within the objective reality boundaries again and create a fictional country that'll incorporate FBI, Mexico, Latin America, and Peruvian music culture. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Alesiopdv on January 16, 2007, 03:44:52 AM
Maybe some of the series will take place in Argentina, colonized by the French.

Jajaja, hilarious commente!! Are you argentain, becuase I am. By the way am new in the forum. PLease to meet you all. ;D

Im really looking forward for this series, I love the girlswithguns genre (and the yuri too).

I dont care about realism because Noir, which was set in 2009, still has the twin towers (you can see it on the Intocabile act 1).
Noir was 2009, MAdlax 2011 so this is when?
Oh and the full title is El Cazador de LA Bruja and I dont recall any product call like that, so I dont fear copryright issues.
 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 16, 2007, 07:13:50 AM
I dont care about realism because Noir, which was set in 2009, still has the twin towers (you can see it on the Intocabile act 1).

Hm, an interesting observation... If that is true, I wonder if they're gonna retouch it in the upcoming re-release... Anyway, Intoccabile I has aired on 25 May 2001, so back then, the WTC was still realistic. :)

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Noir was 2009, MAdlax 2011 so this is when?

Well, Colt Government is long out... But so is P210, go figure. Anyway, judging by the heroines' outfits, subj's not set in any modern setting. I'd say, either the past, or far future, like Avenger. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on January 16, 2007, 10:09:56 PM
I'm not from Argentina et mon français est terrible! But glad to have you with us  :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Section_8 on January 17, 2007, 12:02:16 AM
Heh. If one of them wields a Peacemaker "spin the gun with the lever to reload", that'd be sweet.

I suppose I should see Madlax before this comes out, huh...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on January 17, 2007, 02:40:27 PM
I suppose I should see Madlax before this comes out, huh...

Ditto to that.

How long do series productions usually take, after the planning stages? Or Mashimo's productions....
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 17, 2007, 03:08:46 PM
Well, judging by the past experience, planning of a GWG-series takes about 3 years. And the production of a television series usually depends on the airing dates, doesn't it? Or is it not what you have meant by your question?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on January 20, 2007, 08:30:52 AM
Well, judging by the past experience, planning of a GWG-series takes about 3 years. And the production of a television series usually depends on the airing dates, doesn't it? Or is it not what you have meant by your question?

I see, thanks. Yes, that was about it. It was a deliberately vague question.  ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 20, 2007, 06:08:28 PM
Well, Fellini seems too modest to post links to his own blog, so I'll do that for him... Basically, the rumor that Kajiura went to Peru for inspiration has been confirmed:

http://kineska.blogspot.com/2007/01/yuki-kajiura-did-go-to-peru-for.html
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 21, 2007, 04:55:58 PM
Modest? Me?  Nah....   Just trying to juggle too many IRL tasks and letting other things slip.

Besides, I thought everyone here read my blog anyhow; me being such a fascinating writer and all.  *cough* 

In the mean time, yeah, if you go to Tencho's blog (via google xlate) http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2ftenchyo%2eseesaa%2enet%2farticle%2f31669982%2ehtml you can get the info straight from the source.  I've already asked him some questions about it, but he's got IRL tasks to do too.  :)

Oh, and he's sent me the actual copies of Animage and NewType with the articles in them!  I'm hoping to make better scans (again, when?), but essentially, this one (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?action=gallery&g2_itemId=992) is from Animage (2007.Feb, pg 49) and this one (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?action=gallery&g2_itemId=995) is from NewType (February 2007, pgs 28-29).

More to come, I hope...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 22, 2007, 04:56:18 AM
Besides, I thought everyone here read my blog anyhow; me being such a fascinating writer and all.  *cough* 

Well, myself, I had to get the link from Marta. %)

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Oh, and he's sent me the actual copies of Animage and NewType with the articles in them!  I'm hoping to make better scans (again, when?), but essentially, this one (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?action=gallery&g2_itemId=992) is from Animage (2007.Feb, pg 49) and this one (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?action=gallery&g2_itemId=995) is from NewType (February 2007, pgs 28-29).

And do you have a translation of the latter?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 22, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
They're both the same interview, with no real differences, so she just provided the one from Animage.
Title: New "El Cazador" info on the official site
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 22, 2007, 11:34:43 PM
http://www.elcazador.tv/story/story.html

I was surfing aimlessly and decided to check the site and see if it changed, and I nearly missed it - a new "Story" link.

Here's the Google translation:


In girl [erisu] which is chased with suspicion of physicist [haintsu] Schneider murder,
Why, the enormous prize was applied in reverse side society.
[nadei] of the prize income finds [erisu] in Mexican countryside town, but impulsively
It means from the circumstances to rescue [erisu] from the other prize income.
[erisu] escaped and when truth of incident will be pinpointed, the chaser was opposite to south.
She was born there, you say that there is “a home”. If it goes there, by your
It is the expectation where the past when you do not know is found but - so [erisu] which you are convinced, as for clue
You call gemstone of the Inca rose that and “[uiniyaimaruka]” destiny is led,
Just word of puzzle. As for volunteering role of the guide in [erisu] which comes to an end to the way, her
It was [nadei] of the expectation which you have chased.
Hiding, it becomes the prize neck and that, strange escape of the prize income starts….


Hmm.  I'll have to bug my friends for real translations, but a couple of interesting additional details extrapolated from what we know from the other interviews --
 - Nadei finds Ellis in a Mexican town
 - Ellis was born in the "south", and I suspect does not know her past.
 - "Gemstone of the Inca Rose" - Well, there's the Peru connection.

More later?  Hope so!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 23, 2007, 03:06:45 AM
Great, I've updated the wiki. :) There is still no direct French connect in sight, though...

PS: Btw, Fellini, why do you dislike Babelfish? Its translations from Japanese make more sense to me than Google's...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 23, 2007, 09:04:01 AM
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PS: Btw, Fellini, why do you dislike Babelfish? Its translations from Japanese make more sense to me than Google's...

It's more laziness than dislike.  With the Google toolbar installed, all I have to is right-click on a page and say "Translate to English".  Bang, it's done.

Bablefish has been giving me errors more often than not lately when trying to view a site, or even if I cut and paste a big chunk manually.  On the other hand, Google tends to give up translating after some unknown number of bytes, so trying to get something out of, say, a 2chan thread is annoying.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 23, 2007, 10:40:27 AM
Bablefish has been giving me errors more often than not lately when trying to view a site, or even if I cut and paste a big chunk manually.  On the other hand, Google tends to give up translating after some unknown number of bytes, so trying to get something out of, say, a 2chan thread is annoying.

Indeed, Babelfish's markup sensitivity is troublesome... But it's page-consistent, meaning that if you've translated a page once, it'll work fine afterwards, too. Just for the record. :) Oh, and btw, Firefox has got an extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3361/) for quick translation of webpages. ;)
Title: Uinyaimarka = Wiñay Marka = Eternal City
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 23, 2007, 08:01:19 PM
Speaking of translations, over on AnimeSuki, the guy from Moedosed (http://www.moedosed.com/) who posted that first summary translation way back when posted one of this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=809405&postcount=26), too.
Quote from: Toua
In the underground world, an enourmous reward was placed on the head of a girl named Ellis who's a suspect of murdering a physicist Heinz Schneider.
Coincidentally, Ellis gets saved from other bounty hunters by a bounty hunter named Nadi who finds her in a country town in Mexico. She escapes southwards after learning the truth of the matter. She expects to find a place there called Hometown where she was supposedly born. Ellis is convinced that if she goes there she can figure out her unknown past. Her only leads through her fate are the Inca rose gemstone and a mysterious word Uinyaimarka (ウイニャイマルカ - not sure how to transliterate). Nadi volunteers to become her guide even though she was originally chasing her.
Thus the journey of a girl with a prize on her head and a strange bounty hunter will begin.

Which, even more interestingly, was followed up by Kensuke (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=809499&postcount=27):
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If the "Uinyai" is transliterated as "Winay", after a little googling and seaching wikipedia I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winay_Wayna
...snip...
No luck for the "マルカ" part. Marka? Maruka? Maluca?

Aaaaannnnddd....  Wiki sez:
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Wiñay Wayna (Quechua for "forever young") is an Inca ruin along the Inca trail to Machu Picchu. It is built into a hillside overlooking the Urubamba River. The site consists of upper and lower house complexes connected by a staircase and fountain structures. Beside the houses lies an area of agricultural terraces.
(Has a pic too!)

And as I've speculated on my blog, I think "marka" is just a "mark".  A sign, an inscription, a tattoo...?  Or not.

What about in Spanish?

UPDATE:  Duh, answered my own question.  "Wiñay Marka" is a part of Lake Titicaca.  No decent singular sources via Google yet because the sections of the lake are named in Spanish, not Quechua, but best I can piece together is that it's the smaller part of the lake on the Bolivian side.

MORE UPDATE: Neat link on Lake Titicaca: http://www.crystalinks.com/laketiticaca.html  -- tons of interesting legend stuff in there that I'm sure will make for great speculation...

FINAL UPDATE!!!:  (seriously, I've got housework to do!)  On this travel guide page (http://www.livetravelguides.com/south-america/bolivia/bolivia-articles/lake-titicaca-and-the-island-o/), there's this useful tidbit:
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The lake’s original name was Khota Mamma (“Mother Lake”), and was only renamed Titicaca after the Spanish conquest. The lake has two sections. The smaller southern section, known as Wiñay Marka (“Eternal City”), is comparatively shallow, which led to the legend of a city lying beneath the lake.  The discovery of remains of a settlement and an ancient temple on the lake bed in 2000 bolstered this theory.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 24, 2007, 01:48:51 AM
Now I know what you do for living, Fellini. :) You are a military/business intelligence analyst. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on January 24, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
How about a Series Discussion for the series? Huh?   ???

Okay, so how about it?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 25, 2007, 04:14:04 AM
Just stumbled onto an idea... Not that I think that Mashimo could've ever come up with something as kitsch and unoriginal, but doesn't the idea of an evil German physisist combined with South American setting remind one of a certain political party now banned in nearly every state of the world?..

I hope that's just my imagination running freaky. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: artent on January 25, 2007, 10:31:20 AM
you may be on too somthing.   Though combining it with a Western Setting would be somthing new.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 26, 2007, 10:17:50 AM
I have studied some materials about Lake Titicaca and found out that "Wiñay Marka" is actually a misspelling. Actually, it is written as "Huiñaymarca" in Spanish...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Titicaca
http://www.wildrussia.spb.ru/rus/Peru/Images/titicaca1s.jpg
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 26, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
The "Wiñay Marka" spelling is the original Quechua, so you'll see both.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 26, 2007, 10:57:50 AM
Oh, I see, sorry. :)

Anyway, I kept wondering about this "Inca Rose" and, being a wastefully energetic fan I am, suggested that since religion played important role in Noir and, partly, Madlax (Holy Words of Saruon and all), it maybe a hint towards some saint or something... Anyway, here is what I found (probably, just a coincidence):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_Lima
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 26, 2007, 11:11:52 AM
Ah, Wikipedia; is there anything it can't do?  :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 26, 2007, 12:21:05 PM
Just you wait till they start using it to brainwash the entire planet into believing whatever is written in it. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 26, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
How about a Series Discussion for the series? Huh?   ???

Okay, so how about it?
I keep forgetting to reply to this...! 

I guess the question is, do we have enough to post about it yet?  I suppose we can start writing fan fiction and make (very short) AMVs (hmm... where's my copy of After Effects...?)  -- and we can always use a little more Stupid Q&A!  ;) 

One way or another, it's not a matter of "if" but "when".

So what does everyone think?  Split it off now? When the series starts?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 26, 2007, 03:59:53 PM
I'd say we should wait till the first airing. :) Unless this thread gets really BIG. Say, 500 postings or so. o.O
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 26, 2007, 10:54:45 PM
 I agree to create it when the series starts airing! We can even get individual threads to discuss each episode! yay :D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on January 29, 2007, 12:49:12 PM
I agree to create it when the series starts airing! We can even get individual threads to discuss each episode! yay :D

Oh man, that would be so great! :'(

So why weren't we this excited about Tsubasa or hack Roots when they aired?  :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 29, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
So why weren't we this excited about Tsubasa or hack Roots when they aired?  :P

That's a rhetorical question, I presume, seeing how many true Noir fans we have running around here. ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on January 29, 2007, 03:30:50 PM
 Well, rhetorical or not... ^^;

 It probably is because we have actually been anxiously awaiting for this for almost two years, ever since it has been hinted that Noir and Madlax were part of a trilogy! It was only a rumour but now it's real! And for people who had been holding their hopes high I couldn't think of anything more fulfilling and rewarding than this! ^^
 Besides, this is an entirely new concept not based on some existing manga, like Tsubasa, or ongoing franchise, like .hack//. This is genuine, the real thing, and Bee-Train at 100%!!! This is the sort of stuff that made Bee-Train famous for what it is today (and I do mean it in a good way)!!! ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on January 30, 2007, 09:50:16 AM
Besides, this is an entirely new concept not based on some existing manga, like Tsubasa, or ongoing franchise, like .hack//. This is genuine, the real thing, and Bee-Train at 100%!!! This is the sort of stuff that made Bee-Train famous for what it is today (and I do mean it in a good way)!!! ;D

Oh yes, this is the information I was looking for. See, I didn't think of Roots as being part of a franchise. Perhaps that explains things to a certain extent. The sound of Bee Train 100% is good. ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on January 30, 2007, 04:32:48 PM
Then again, roots was awful. They probably used 5% of their resources on it while the rest was obviously allocated towards this series and Tsubasa.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on January 30, 2007, 05:22:24 PM
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They probably used 5% of their resources on it while the rest was obviously allocated towards this series and Tsubasa.
Don't forget Spider Riders!   Oh, and "Murder Princess"... :D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on January 31, 2007, 02:02:42 AM
Well, the guys obviously know what people (read "true and real fans") want from them. %)
Title: Another connection I just thought of...
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 01, 2007, 02:29:17 PM
So now we all know that "Wiñay Marka" is related to a legendary underwater Incan city.

But, what about "Leviathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan)"?

...an organization named after a biblical sea monster...  Hmmm...

I predict that by the time we get to Episode 20, we'll be needing our swimsuits and snorkelling fins.   ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 01, 2007, 05:19:05 PM
But, what about "Leviathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan)"?

Additionally, El Cazador is apparently code named "Project Leviathan", see the official website, the very bottom of the page. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 01, 2007, 05:59:32 PM
But, what about "Leviathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan)"?

Additionally, El Cazador is apparently code named "Project Leviathan", see the official website, the very bottom of the page. :)

 Ok so this got me thinking, so far we have two key names: "El Cazador", the series title, and probably referring to the organization hunting down Ellis, though it might also be referring to Nadi who is a Bounty Hunter initially hunting for Ellis (supposedly the witch); and then we have "Leviathan" that seems to be the name of the organization related to the scientist guy that modified Ellis DNA.

 Back in Noir we had "Noir" and "Soldats", in Madlax we had "Madlax" and "Enfant", but with "El Cazador we still have not a clear idea on who is who, more precisely, which side take the two main characters? Who are the "good guys" and the "bad guys"? And why does the series planning project takes one of those names and then the anime itself is named after the other? These make up for great speculation material! ;D

 A lot of exciting new questions are raised, and thankfully, Bee-Train didn't made the easy mistake of using similar logic regarding the key names once again! This alone is just one more thing leading me to believe that they surely won't fail to impress, by delivering the same good old Bee-Train style we all love without becoming predictable! :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 02, 2007, 03:27:27 AM
and then we have "Leviathan" that seems to be the name of the organization related to the scientist guy that modified Ellis DNA.

We don't even know if that's an organization yet. It says in the interview that "she [Ellis] was produced by Leviathan and has witch's DNA". Leviathan may be a name of person or an AI, even (hey, the guys *have* produced .hack!). Sorta reminds me of the confusion people had to tell the difference between Enfant and Friday Monday. %)

BtW, thinking of the philosophy classes I've taken in my last years of school, I suggest that "Leviathan" maybe a vague French connection, as well. In 1651, Thomas Hobbes published a book called "Leviathan" where he described the philosophical base of the absolutistic state (an absolute monarchy), which was later realized by Louis XIV, Louis XV, and Louis XVI of France ("L'État, c'est moi"). Considering, absolute monarchy is quite similar in my eyes to the totalitarian states of the 20th century, including the one built by the infamous political party I've mentioned the other day. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 03, 2007, 04:56:26 PM
So let's see...  Underwater authoritarian Nazi genetic engineers, mysterious Inca legends (maybe even mysterious underwater Inca legends!), spaghetti-western heroine & amnesiatic witch (with underwater potential?  Oh, let there be wetsuits!  8) )....

Let's see, what else?  Oh yeah, bounty hunters!

I think this is going to wind up waaaay crazier than MADLAX.  Just a guess...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 03, 2007, 06:27:54 PM
I think this is going to wind up waaaay crazier than MADLAX.  Just a guess...

Oh, sure, if they keep the scrap-the-realism tendency up, it is. %) I have a feeling I'm gonna love it... But then, aren't we all? %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on February 04, 2007, 05:33:41 PM
Yep, we are going to love it.  I hope for a mysterious plot that actually leaves you in knots and stitches (laughing).  I want a dark mysterious spaghetti western  mmmm.... pasta .... Madlax ....   
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 05, 2007, 04:15:03 AM
Hm... That's an interesting parallel you've noticed, janus. Say, if Leone has invented the spaghetti western genre, maybe Mashimo is gonna expand it to the epic pasta western? %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on February 06, 2007, 06:51:37 PM
Well.... In Noir it was tea, In Madlax it was pasta especially spaghetti, so.....what will it be?  Beer, wine and other spirits?  Hamburgers?  Seafood?..... how about chili.....
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 06, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
 They actually had tea in both Noir and Madlax! Since El Cazador seems to take place in quite the hot climate, I suppose they could have iced tea... :P

Oh and "pasta western" sounds great btw, it should be trademarked! ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: hayama on February 06, 2007, 11:34:26 PM
I'm so excited about this. There's never been a really tight community for me to rave about a series episode by episode with until now ;).

Anyone think that we could set up a way to watch the episode together? Like, we would designate a time for many of us to watch and discuss the episodes together while watching, posting in a chat or possibly in a community on Livejournal (it would probably be too many comments to fit in a thread in the forum). I know that sometimes anime watching can be a private thing, but would anyone be interested in doing that?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 07, 2007, 04:39:56 AM
I wonder if they are gonna speak Nahuatl and Quechua in the series. %) I totally loved Nahuatl in RahXephon but hasn't heard anything like that ever since. :(

Anyone think that we could set up a way to watch the episode together? Like, we would designate a time for many of us to watch and discuss the episodes together while watching, posting in a chat or possibly in a community on Livejournal (it would probably be too many comments to fit in a thread in the forum).

Sorry, you must count me out, I'm a too privacy-loving for that... :(
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on February 07, 2007, 09:24:32 AM
Heh. Getting a group together for an IRC room?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 07, 2007, 02:30:01 PM
Anyone think that we could set up a way to watch the episode together? Like, we would designate a time for many of us to watch and discuss the episodes together while watching, posting in a chat or possibly in a community on Livejournal (it would probably be too many comments to fit in a thread in the forum).

Sorry, you must count me out, I'm a too privacy-loving for that... :(

Too privacy-loving for which, Koveras?

As for ongoing discussions, I'm feeling that this forum is the best place for it. There's no time to think and properly theorize in chatrooms (at least that's my experience). We can, however, meet to shriek or something.  ;D  I expect the Animesuki forums will be talking about it too when the time comes: there'll probably be good less-fannish opinions there to read as well.

Okay.

MOON PHASE 雑記 is a trustworthy site, right? Because it says...

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070207

> オープニング曲:「光の行方」savage genius
> エンディング曲:「romanesque」FictionJunction YUUKA
> エリス:清水愛
> ナディ:伊藤静
> ジョディ・ヘイワード:久川綾
> ダグラス・ローゼンバーグ:三宅健太
> エル・エー:宮野真守
> ハインツ・シュナイダー:三木眞一郎
> リカルド:立木文彦

moetron (http://www.moetron.com/2007/02/07/el-cazador-broadcast-date-oped/) translated it:

    * Opening Theme: “Hikari no Yukue” - savage genius
    * Closing Theme: “romanesque” - FictionJunction YUUKA
    * Ellis: (Shimizu Ai)
    * Nadi: (Itou Shizuka)
    * Jodie Hayward: (Hisakawa Aya)
    * Douglas Rosenberg: (Miyake Kenta)
    * L.A: (Miyano Mamoru)
    * Heinz Schneider: (Miki Shinichiro)
    * Ricardo: (Tachiki Fumihiko)

OMGOMGOMG -- will be more coherent later.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 07, 2007, 03:43:19 PM
Too privacy-loving for which, Koveras?

For sharing my thoughts on an anime before they take their final form. :) Or listening to someone else's, for that matter. :)

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MOON PHASE 雑記 is a trustworthy site, right? Because it says...

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070207

Ok. Take a deep breath... Now.

It seems the BT guys HAVE been visiting our forum, after all. In case someone missed it, savage genius performed the ED of Simoun. Hmmmm...

Some links first:

Someone entered some info already on ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7509), and Miyano Mamoru is this guy (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=10397).

And now the comments:

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Ellis: (Shimizu Ai)
Nadi: (Itou Shizuka)

Well, as we see, Kuwashima Houko was dismissed just like Kotono Mitsuishi (probably gonna appear in a episodic role again, though).

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Jodie Hayward: (Hisakawa Aya)

...while Hisakawa is our Wedge Antilles-type seiyu and a GWG mascot, as it appears. %) You know, I somehow get this weird sorta idea of who is gonna voice that unlucky bounty hunter whom Nadi will pwn in the very first episode to save Ellis. ;)

Back on the issue of seiyus: Shimizu has been involved with My-Hime and My-Otome but other than that, I can't say anything specific. Itou, on the other hand, has my second favorite (after Tawaray/Touta) Roots character on her conscience, yay. %)

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Douglas Rosenberg: (Miyake Kenta)

And here comes my VERY favorite character from Roots. %) As well as Tsume from Wolf's Rain...

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L.A: (Miyano Mamoru)

"L.A."? Is it like, "Three-Speed"? =D Anyway, here is another Wolf's Rain connection - the guy voice Kiba. As well as Moondoggie in E7 and Tamaki in Ouran. Looking forward to hear from him. %)

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Heinz Schneider: (Miki Shinichiro)

OMFG, they've actually got the world's second most prolific seiyu to voice a guy who is supposed to have been killed long before the action starts? Talk about obvious story clues. =) Miki voiced Crim in SIGN, Shannon Casull in Sutepri, Allen Schezar in Escaflowne (cough, check my avatar btw...), Tetsu in Saikano (they only impressive guy in the show), and God only knows what else...

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Ricardo: (Tachiki Fumihiko)

Khm, Luciano?.. Wait. The guy voiced Gendou. Oh. My. God. And an awful lot of roles in various Gundams, as well. This is gonna be one helluva ride.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 07, 2007, 03:47:55 PM
Ooh, thanks for this, Fignae!!   ;D

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* Jodie Hayward: (Hisakawa Aya)
From Chloe to Rimelda to Jodie...   8)

...Otherwise, there's something missing...    :-\

(crackpot theory about that to follow later...)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 07, 2007, 05:06:10 PM
Talk about coincidence - I opened the thread in order to post a question when the seiyuu cast will be known and I see it has been posted today. :)

Itou Shizuka! Oh, yes! Hisakawa Aya! Hell, yeah.
Savage Genius for the OP? Ah, well, if it cannot be FictionJunction then this is a very good choice.

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Itou, on the other hand, has my second favorite (after Tawaray/Touta) Roots character on her conscience, yay.

Itou is great in Asatte no Houkou and in Maria-sama ga Miteru, IMO. Of course, even not counting my Noir bias, Kuwashima Houko and Mitsuishi Kotono are not names whose achievements can be matched easily to put it mildly but I think the new cast is quite capable to come close. Miyano Mamoru's performance in Death Note and Ouran is spectacular.

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OMFG, they've actually got the world's second most prolific seiyu

If he is the second then who is the first then? :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 07, 2007, 06:09:55 PM
A couple of more points now that I'm home...

re: Chat, there are a couple of real-time chat mods that can be added to the forum; I'll poke around and see if there are any that will be useful.  But overall, I'm cool with filling up forum topics with "live-blogging" as it were, and El Cazador will have it's own area so it won't have to be stuck with loooong threads like this one.  :)

And for my crackpot theory...  Waaaay back when, in the speculation thread about the third series, I re-emphasized a post by Kirika&Mirellereich (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg229#msg229) that said:
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I heard about a possible Noir - Madlax crossover when I attended the Anime Expo in Anaheim, CA earlier this year.  I was fortunate enough to get the chance to get Monica Rial's autograph and asked her why she had no involvement with Madlax.  She told me they did not want any of the main voice actors in Noir to be in Madlax due to the rumors of the cross over show. She wasn't quite sure how it would be done since Madlax was primarily set in a fictitious region, but was looking forward to returning to the role of Kirika. ...
...which in itself doesn't seem like it would apply so much, except this little tidbit  (http://www.animeondvd.com/forum/showpost.php?post/342524/) came up on the AnimeOnDVD thread on El Cazador:
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Ah so this is the series that will have cameos of the girls from Noir and Madlax. Well that's what Matt Greenfield told me last year.

...which I didn't really think about too closely at the time.  Now, though... 

Speculation, anyone?   ;)

EDIT: just thought of another point of speculation -- with all of the ADV staff talking points about this, does that mean that ADV is either co-producing, or pre-licensing this?  And if so, what does that mean for our forthcoming fansub festivities??   ???
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: janus on February 07, 2007, 06:41:16 PM
What ADV means is that the English translation is being done side by side with the Japaneese production ala IGPX.  In other words, epect to see a English release either right after the Japaneese release or at the same time.  Also, it means the ADV is working on the translation - a very good thing.  Also, hopefully that it means that there will not be long lags in releasing of any of the DVDs.

All of this is my speculation....
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on February 07, 2007, 08:05:53 PM
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what does that mean for our forthcoming fansub festivities??

Hmm...not surprisingly the quote "Nice guys finish last" comes to mind
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 07, 2007, 11:51:39 PM
For sharing my thoughts on an anime before they take their final form. :) Or listening to someone else's, for that matter. :)

Has that to do with privacy? You'll still be the one choosing which thoughts to put down, after all. :)

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Ok. Take a deep breath... Now.

It seems the BT guys HAVE been visiting our forum, after all. In case someone missed it, savage genius performed the ED of Simoun. Hmmmm...

Yes, yes, watch Simoun.

*laughs* Well. They also did Erementar Gerad's OP, and Uta Kata's. I didn't like them for the longest time; I was so convinced Aa couldn't sing. Then I became all fannish just last year, with their wonderful album Kaze no Kessho. Their music isn't that different from Kajiura Yuki's works, actually: techno, with female soaring vocals. It should be a good fit.

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Jodie Hayward: (Hisakawa Aya)

...while Hisakawa is our Wedge Antilles-type seiyu and a GWG mascot, as it appears. %) You know, I somehow get this weird sorta idea of who is gonna voice that unlucky bounty hunter whom Nadi will pwn in the very first episode to save Ellis. ;)

Can't say how happy I am that Hisakawa Aya will be in it. I'm also hoping it'll be one of the deeper-voiced characters, like in Air and RahXephon. She's brilliant, no doubt about that either way. And yes, it must mean something, besides 'we like her voice', even if that becomes the official answer given.

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Back on the issue of seiyus: Shimizu has been involved with My-Hime and My-Otome but other than that, I can't say anything specific. Itou, on the other hand, has my second favorite (after Tawaray/Touta) Roots character on her conscience, yay. %)

I have yet to do a full-analysis-with-the-intention-of-acceptance, but I... dislike that it's Shimizu Ai. She was Mikoto in the Mai-HiME series, of course, and I've heard her in Kagihime (I was impressed by that role), Nanoha, Rakugo Tennyo, HiMM, Strawberry Panic, and maybe Joshikosei.

After looking the list over, though, I'm slowly realizing that she can probably tackle any role they decide to give her. It's just that her voice is a bit undistinctive to my ears, and sometimes sounds airy in a way I don't particularly like. She can project strength when needed, and it's not that her voice has no depth.... No complaints in the acting department. Argh. I've never liked a single one of her characters. Need time, need time.

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L.A: (Miyano Mamoru)

"L.A."? Is it like, "Three-Speed"? =D Anyway, here is another Wolf's Rain connection - the guy voice Kiba. As well as Moondoggie in E7 and Tamaki in Ouran. Looking forward to hear from him. %)

Ah, Tamaki! Okay. I know him from Death Note as Light. Watched DN 1.5 last week, and he appears to be a young, relatively inexperienced seiyuu. His role in DN was mightily good, though.

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Itou Shizuka

How fortunate that I've only just, with Asatte no Houkou, started looking out for her roles. :D Haven't heard many of them, but she, like Toyoguchi Megumi, Kobayashi Sanae, and Mitsuishi Kotono before her, has a track record with roles that have required lower tones.

Nooo, I refuse to predict any more! Mildly traumatized.

I'm highly skeptical about ADV picking this up early....
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 08, 2007, 01:38:50 AM
If he is the second then who is the first then? :)

Takehito Koyasu, as it appears right now. :) That guy voiced Ilpalazzo in Excel, Zechs in Gundam Wing, Mu La Flaga in Gundam Seed, Touga Kiryuu in Utena, Rezo in Slayers - that's only in animes that I have watched myself. :)

EDITED: I've updated our wiki article, btw. %)

EDITED AGAIN: Oh, btw, they's got three new sections on the official site, including the chara and the cast. ::)

It seems, Hisakawa's character is gonna be nicknamed "Blue Eyes". I wonder why... O.o And Kajiura will be arranging the opening theme, so the savage genius has no chance of messing that up. %) From what I gathered from Nadi's description, she is a sole survivor of an attack on her home long ago. Did I get it right?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 08, 2007, 10:04:28 AM
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Takehito Koyasu, as it appears right now. Smiley That guy voiced Ilpalazzo in Excel, Zechs in Gundam Wing, Mu La Flaga in Gundam Seed, Touga Kiryuu in Utena, Rezo in Slayers - that's only in animes that I have watched myself.

Takehito Koyasu is in like half the series I watch these days. :) Of course, this feeling is mostly because it is easy to recognize his distinctive voice.

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Argh. I've never liked a single one of her characters. Need time, need time.

It' just like my sentiments towards Hirano Aya. I myself like Mikoto from Mai-HiME, not that it was the most difficult role to play but still...

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Haven't heard many of them, but she, like Toyoguchi Megumi, Kobayashi Sanae, and Mitsuishi Kotono before her, has a track record with roles that have required lower tones.

Well, in Maria-sama ga miteru, the voice of Itou's character is quite masculinish (is that a word?).

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And Kajiura will be arranging the opening theme, so the savage genius has no chance of messing that up

Awesome.

As for cameos of Madlax and Noir characters - it cannot be that surreal, can it? Madlax and Noir are not even set up in the same world. But who cares, I would sell my soul for a shootout between Kirika/Mireille and Madlax/Rimelda, so bring it on. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 08, 2007, 12:08:05 PM
EDITED AGAIN: Oh, btw, they's got three new sections on the official site, including the chara and the cast. ::)


Hmm, I'm not sure I like where this is going:
(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1209&g2_serialNumber=1)

Hrm.  Comedy, huh?
 :-\
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 08, 2007, 02:27:33 PM
Yes, kinda unusual... Well, the other pics were all right, so let's hope that Yoko Kikuchi just got carried away a bit. She did design Noir characters, didn't she? :)

Btw, fellow fans of Simoun out here, have you also noticed how much Ellis looks like a certain Simoun Sybilla in this case? ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on February 08, 2007, 03:46:17 PM
EDITED AGAIN: Oh, btw, they's got three new sections on the official site, including the chara and the cast. ::)


Hmm, I'm not sure I like where this is going:
(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1209&g2_serialNumber=1)

Hrm.  Comedy, huh?
 :-\

Well, this is a really good thing I mean the comedy faces because Nadi is without doubt the tease type and Ellis the serious type, I love that kind of characters interaction.

In Noir for instance, Mireille did funny faces sometimes too, and that was one of the things I like about her character (yes Mireille is my favorite character in Noir).

IMO the funny faces don't say anything about the plot, less serious moments doesn't necessary means a comedy anime.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 08, 2007, 09:45:30 PM
Well, this is a really good thing I mean the comedy faces because Nadi is without doubt the tease type and Ellis the serious type, I love that kind of characters interaction.

In Noir for instance, Mireille did funny faces sometimes too, and that was one of the things I like about her character (yes Mireille is my favorite character in Noir).

Yes, Mihura, me too. Hmm. From the new Noir boxart and this, it seems Kikuchi Youko has taken on a new style for her character designs.

Btw, fellow fans of Simoun out here, have you also noticed how much Ellis looks like a certain Simoun Sybilla in this case? ;)

Not really seeing it. :P

It' just like my sentiments towards Hirano Aya. I myself like Mikoto from Mai-HiME, not that it was the most difficult role to play but still...

Wow, someone else who's ambivalent about Hirano Aya? Finally.

It's "savage genius", Koveras. :D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 09, 2007, 02:54:26 AM
IMO the funny faces don't say anything about the plot, less serious moments doesn't necessary means a comedy anime.

That was exactly my between-the-lines point when I mentioned Simoun: there, the characters often make funny faces but also regularly deliever staggeringly touching scenes. :)

Not really seeing it. :P

Well, we don't have many Sybillae with short blonde hair, do we? ::) Just change the purple eye color to green and you've got it. =) Oh, btw, purple eye color seems to symbolize superhuman nature in Mashimo's works: Madlax has it, too...

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It's "savage genius", Koveras. :D

Sorry, I didn't get it. :(
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 09, 2007, 09:51:55 PM
 I'm slightly disappointed that Houko Kuwashima won't be back for the role of Ellis, I was kinda hoping for it... :( As for Nadi, I was expecting her to have an entirely new seiyu to begin with so it's all the same to me. I'm glad we at least have Aya Hisakawa once again! I'm excited to see how her character will be like! :D

 It also seems this show will have as much male as female important characters, contrary to the other shows' female majority!

 As for cameos of Noir and Madlax characters on El Cazador, I don't really buy it... I mean, first there was a vague reference to an "unofficial trilogy", then the folks of ADV started mentioning "crossover", and now we're talking about "cameo appearances"... sounds pretty much like a rumour to me, and it spreads like one too! ^^; Still, if it were to happen, I would sure love it! ;D

 As for the funny faces, I agree with Mihura. There have been such funny faces on previous Bee-Train works before, even in Noir and Madlax. Though very subtle, they were still there, and that definitely didn't make the series any less serious! I honestly don't think it'll be a comedy show, though of course, if such expressions are on the character design sheets, we should expect them to show up at some point in the anime. ^^; I think it'll be fine as long as they don't overuse it and keep it subtle like in Noir and Madlax! :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 04:36:00 AM
This has just hit me this morning: judging by the premise, El Cazador will be more like Noir than like Madlax. The two leads will meet in the first episode(s) and then travel south together in a two-girls-against-everyone rampage... Sure, it's not entirely like Noir, where M&K (and even Chloe for that matter) always had a place to return to until the last episodes, but IMO what makes Madlax's story more appealing than Noir's is that it is has multiple narrative threads whose frequent intersections are particularly captivating. Now, I don't say that El Cazador can't have it, too, but with the two protagonists meeting each other that early in the show, the chances of its plot turning out as complex and multi-layered as Madlax drop drastically. IMHO, of course.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on February 10, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
Those are some very great assumptions, that a story can only be intricate if the two characters meet early on in the series  ;). However, I would agree, this series will most likely be far more character driven than plot driven, as with Noir, which I think is kind of exciting. I've always liked to fall in love with a set of characters and to care about how they fare throughout the series.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 01:53:39 PM
Well, me, I've never been a great fan of warm and fuzzy relationships, I like fast-paced action, ingeniously simple philosophies and aesthetically perfect settings. In other words, stories like Madlax. Too much accent on the characters never gets the plot anywhere... well, it's not like getting the plot going has ever been the primary objective of the character-driven animes, in the first place.

In any case, the question I've been asking myself ever since I've read Mr. Wong's article is whether El Cazador is gonna replace Madlax as my personal favorite of all times or not. And if it's gonna follow (even if only approximately) the Noir formula, it ain't. :) Of course, I won't know until I finish watching it and I'll try to approach it as unbiased as possible but I'm pretty good at predicting my own reactions. %)
Title: Latest NewType images: More character designs!
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 10, 2007, 01:57:30 PM
I'll get around to commenting later, but first a hot-off-the-press pic!   ;D

(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1217&g2_serialNumber=1) (http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1215&g2_serialNumber=1)
(click for full-size)

Got this from Makoto's blog (http://tenchyo.seesaa.net/article/33352000.html), as usual. :)  He's got more commentary on the cast announcement here (http://tenchyo.seesaa.net/article/33281458.html) (run it through your favorite translator!).

I don't have any translation of the pic handy, but I'm guessing it's exactly the same as the info we've gotten thus far.

More later, I hope!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 02:31:20 PM
Ok, here is a brief who-is-who on the picture for those who don't wanna decipher that themselves:

First row: Nadi and Ellis ::)
Third row: Douglas Rosenberg and Jodie Hayward
Fourth row: Ririo (?), Ricardo, Heinrich Schneider, L.A.

Hm, Jodie is sure dull-looking compared to Chloe and Limelda. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 10, 2007, 02:32:44 PM
 Ah nice to see all the characters at last! :D Oh wow, bishounen in the house! The guy in the lower right, the "LA" character, I think I like him already! ^^; The woman in glasses is probably the Chloe/Limelda successor, and she doesn't look so exciting so far. The little girl with the hat wasn't credited before I believe. The guy in the white suit must be a bad guy (cuz only bad guys wear white suits like that), the other two... seem ok. ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 10, 2007, 02:40:59 PM
One more quick bit of news I just saw on AnimeSuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=828738&postcount=43):
Quote from: NeoSam
A comic-ization of the bishoujo action anime El Cazador will start in May's issue of the seinen manga magazine Champion RED (http://comipedia.com/magazine/champion_red).

Yes, a seinen El Cazador manga will start in May 2007 :P

:P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 02:47:03 PM
The guy in the white suit must be a bad guy (cuz only bad guys wear white suits like that)

I dunno, he reminds me of Carossea. %)

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The little girl with the hat wasn't credited before I believe.

Nope, and I was wondering how her name is transliterated correctly. Ririo, Lilio, or Rilio?.. Anyway, she reminds me of Laetitia. %)

One more quick bit of news I just saw on AnimeSuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=828738&postcount=43)

I see, so this'll be the first manga based on an original Bee Train work. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 10, 2007, 02:58:26 PM
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I see, so this'll be the first manga based on an original Bee Train work. %)
Arguably, the .hack manga would fit that bill, being part of an overall multi-media release strategy and an aspect of the universe they were building.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 10, 2007, 03:04:48 PM
One more quick bit of news I just saw on AnimeSuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=828738&postcount=43):
Quote from: NeoSam
A comic-ization of the bishoujo action anime El Cazador will start in May's issue of the seinen manga magazine Champion RED (http://comipedia.com/magazine/champion_red).

Yes, a seinen El Cazador manga will start in May 2007 :P

:P


 I might be speaking too soon, but the simple idea of it sounds rather outrageous to me! :-\ Well let's wait and see...

I dunno, he reminds me of Carossea. %)

Well, Carossea was sort of a "bad guy" for the most part! ^^;

Nope, and I was wondering how her name is transliterated correctly. Ririo, Lilio, or Rilio?.. Anyway, she reminds me of Laetitia. %)

 Or it could be Lirio too... Personally, if I could choose I think I'd go with that! :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 03:27:19 PM
Arguably, the .hack manga would fit that bill, being part of an overall multi-media release strategy and an aspect of the universe they were building.

Nay, .hack was co-produced with Bandai, wasn't it? That's no Shin no Biitorein. %)

Well, Carossea was sort of a "bad guy" for the most part! ^^;

Well, aren't *all* characters in Bee Train's girls-with-guns animes "bad" in some way? ^^; Well, save Vanessa, of course. And Elenore.

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Or it could be Lirio too... Personally, if I could choose I think I'd go with that! :P

That's why I left it to you to make that option public. ::)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 10, 2007, 04:09:56 PM
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Well, me, I've never been a great fan of warm and fuzzy relationships, I like fast-paced action, ingeniously simple philosophies and aesthetically perfect settings. In other words, stories like Madlax. Too much accent on the characters never gets the plot anywhere... well, it's not like getting the plot going has ever been the primary objective of the character-driven animes, in the first place.

You are aware that Madlax is anything but a fast paced plot driven series, right? It's not as if the difference in approach between it and Noir is so great

Hisakawa Aya's character looks like a bookworm, I suspect that in this case appearance deceives.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 10, 2007, 04:49:25 PM
You are aware that Madlax is anything but a fast paced plot driven series, right?

Didn't appear that way to me, in any case. %)

Oh, and regarding that manga adaptation, it appears that its original source was Moon Phase, as well:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070210
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on February 10, 2007, 08:03:53 PM
One more quick bit of news I just saw on AnimeSuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=828738&postcount=43):
Quote from: NeoSam
A comic-ization of the bishoujo action anime El Cazador will start in May's issue of the seinen manga magazine Champion RED (http://comipedia.com/magazine/champion_red).

Yes, a seinen El Cazador manga will start in May 2007 :P

:P


 I might be speaking too soon, but the simple idea of it sounds rather outrageous to me! :-\ Well let's wait and see...

When I saw bishoujo in the genres it gave me an awful felling like MartAnime but that is because I relate bishoujo with harem animes with lots of moe that most of the time came from a galge.

 I know that bishoujo mean beautiful girl but that was never in noir nor madlax anime genders. Maybe the manga is a AU like Mai HiME or Mai Otome and something like that will probably going to have fanservice  :'(

I know is to premature to say this but am start to see mainstream all over it first the title, that is not that alternative like the preview ones, them the character are moe with funny faces and now a bishoujo manga, I like changes but this is a little to must and to soon.
   
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 10, 2007, 08:57:36 PM
There are manga titles that has very little to do with the anime originals, so even if the manga is some crappy bishoujo harem, the anime still can well be very different. Simoun even had two separate mangas, one aimed at men and another at women. :) The Mai-HiME manga was even more full of fanservice than the anime and didn't seem to have many of its strong sides. This El Cazador manga seems to be a marketting trick, along the lines of "Like these sexy girls? If you want a decent plot, too, go check out the anime". I wouldn't mind at all if the manga turns out to be a good one, of course.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 10, 2007, 09:10:20 PM
Maybe the manga is a AU like Mai HiME or Mai Otome and something like that will probably going to have fanservice  :'(

 Gah blasphemy!!! God forbid!!! That would be more than I can take!!! ^^; If there's gonna be a manga let it at least be a decent one! :-\ The last thing I would like to see is a manga that goes again the Bee-Train policy of "no fanservice, respect the characters"!

Well, aren't *all* characters in Bee Train's girls-with-guns animes "bad" in some way? ^^; Well, save Vanessa, of course. And Elenore.

 Oh c'mon, you know what I mean! ^^; There are the protagonists (the "good guys") and the characters opposing them (the "bad guys"). Sure the protagonists might be criminals themselves, but that usually means the guys opposing them are even worse! What I mean is, the viewer usually takes the protagonists' side, and accepts it as "the good side", cuz protagonists usually have at least some virtuosity and/or redeeming qualities that capture the viewer's sympathy to an extent, despise their perfectly normal human flaws!

 And I think that Douglas Rosenberg guy is a "bad guy" for several reasons now: the white suit; a striking resemblance to Carossea, like you mentioned; he's on the same platform level in that pic as the "Aya Hisakawa" Jodie Hayward character (which I'm guessing is with the "bad guys" aswell), so I think they might be connected; and last, but not least (and just for random stupid pointless speculation), notice he has *glasses*! and so does the "Aya Hisakawa" Jodie Hayward character! and the Heinrich Schneider guy at the bottom! 8)

 Hmmm... so those three must all be "bad guys" because they have glasses, complicated names and surnames! Notice all the other characters have short simple names! So I'd say Nadi and Ellis are "the good guys"; Douglas Rosenberg, Jodie Hayward and Heinrich Schneider are the "bad guys"; and Ririo/Rilio/Lirio/Lilio, Ricardo and L.A. are the "so-so guys" (because their names all start with an "L" or an "R" which is all the same in japanese anyway)! ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 11, 2007, 12:54:48 AM
I might be speaking too soon, but the simple idea of it sounds rather outrageous to me! :-\ Well let's wait and see...

LOL, yes! It feels sacrilegious to me too! But it can't be worse than the Simoun drama CD and I survived that. Gotta get used to these franchises and the whole $$ aspect of anime marketing.

Again, Mihura makes a good point there. If I may take the Simoun example, though, a series being commercial doesn't entirely take away from its value as a work. It may, however, gain some detractors who object to what they see as commercial concessions.

(Aye, the Mai- franchise is not a good example to follow....)

This is all still in the realm of speculation, I must add.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 11, 2007, 02:10:31 AM
and last, but not least (and just for random stupid pointless speculation), notice he has *glasses*! and so does the "Aya Hisakawa" Jodie Hayward character! and the Heinrich Schneider guy at the bottom! 8)

Hey, careful! I wear glasses, too. %) Btw, were there any prominent bespectacled characters in Bee Train anime before? Strangely enough, I can't recall any... :-\

PS: Yay, I have 700 postings! =)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 11, 2007, 07:50:52 PM
Btw, were there any prominent bespectacled characters in Bee Train anime before?
Beruze in Meine Liebe.  Also a bad guy.

That "Champion Red" magazine seems to specialize in pervy stuff, it looks like.  Dunno what that means.

Going way back to my comments about the face designs, I'll admit that Ellis' little angry look is pretty good, but I have a problem with the "deformed" Nadi face.  One thing I really liked about the "serious" Bee Train stuff is that they didn't resort to any of those sorts of cliche visuals.  .hack//Sign came close a couple of times, but always stayed in the mere "exaggerated" realm.  Mirielle did have a few amusing expressions in Noir, but those never really strayed from something believable.  Definitely never into the "deformation" style, even with the "popcorn" moment.   :o

Other comments off the top of my head...
Quote from: Matrim
Hisakawa Aya's character looks like a bookworm, I suspect that in this case appearance deceives.
Yeah.  I'm looking forward to that.  I dig the "bookworm" look as it is, but the potential for further awesomeness... ;D

And, what else... Oh yeah, what the hell is Camus doing in this one?  And a little girl in a 19th-century western getup...?  Well, it's going to be a crazy cast, for sure.

More later.  8)



Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Alesiopdv on February 11, 2007, 11:49:15 PM
on Ellis reward sign says FBI so maybe Douglas Rosenberg and Jodie Hayward are FBI agents which could explain their similar outfits.
So theres gonna be a manga version? Great! that was the missing piece on both Noir and Madlax.
I hope it will be like Burts ANgel manga and this two girls are open lesbians. I f@# all Bee Train on the letter scene in Noir. For God Sake Say I LOVE YOU!! JUST SAY IT!!!
Champion Red is the same magazine of Saint Seiya Episode G, Change 1-2-3! and Witchblade. Thanl because the first two are being  published here in Argentina by Editorial Ivrea there is a good chance of reading El Cazador de la Bruja manga some time in the future Yea!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 12, 2007, 08:46:39 AM
Beruze in Meine Liebe.  Also a bad guy.

Oh, that figures. ::)

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Yeah.  I'm looking forward to that.  I dig the "bookworm" look as it is, but the potential for further awesomeness... ;D

I bet she is gonna be, like, a bookworm and the best field agent of the "bad guys" at the same time. Latent schizophrenia hasn't yet been on Hisakawa's role list (at least, not here), has it? ^^

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And, what else... Oh yeah, what the hell is Camus doing in this one?  And a little girl in a 19th-century western getup...?  Well, it's going to be a crazy cast, for sure.

Well, I recognize the connection between Madlax and Camus, but why are you so sure it's gonna be present here, as well?

--- ADDED ---

So, still no luck in translating that article?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 12, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
Well, I recognize the connection between Madlax and Camus, but why are you so sure it's gonna be present here, as well?

 I believe Fellini was referring to Meine Liebe Camus (http://www.myrrhlynn.net/meineliebe/pics/camus1.jpg) and not Albert Camus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus), the philosopher... just in case you got those mixed up. ^^;

 As for "bad guys" wearing glasses, there was also Yata and Pai from .hack Roots... well, and Ovan too. I'm just not sure if any of the three were entirely "good guys" or "bad guys", so we can at least admit they were ambiguous! :P

 Anyway, regarding the "glasses theory", we can go with the anime logic that "big eyes = good guy" and "small eyes = bad guy". If someone wears glasses it might be a sign their eyes are small, and therefore shortsighted!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 12, 2007, 03:56:54 PM
I believe Fellini was referring to Meine Liebe Camus (http://www.myrrhlynn.net/meineliebe/pics/camus1.jpg) and not Albert Camus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus), the philosopher... just in case you got those mixed up. ^^;

Oh, I see. %) It's just that there was this review (http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/madlaxvol7.php) of Madlax where Camus and Sartre were mentioned in connection to the series' existentialistic themes. ^^

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As for "bad guys" wearing glasses, there was also Yata and Pai from .hack Roots... well, and Ovan too. I'm just not sure if any of the three were entirely "good guys" or "bad guys", so we can at least admit they were ambiguous! :P

Indeed, that's usually as far as it goes in the true Bee Train anime. %)

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Anyway, regarding the "glasses theory", we can go with the anime logic that "big eyes = good guy" and "small eyes = bad guy". If someone wears glasses it might be a sign their eyes are small, and therefore shortsighted!

No, I think it actually so that glasses indicate a character with a double-sided personality, since they hide their real intentions (the real eye size) behind the spectacles (artificially created large, in other words, "good" eyes). At least that fits well with Yata, Pai, and Ovan. ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 12, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
No, I think it actually so that glasses indicate a character with a double-sided personality, since they hide their real intentions (the real eye size) behind the spectacles (artificially created large, in other words, "good" eyes). At least that fits well with Yata, Pai, and Ovan. ;)

 Ah, that also makes sense! Indeed, glasses either artificially create large "good eyes" or hide the eyes completely, making it impossible to see the person's eyes and therefore impossible to figure out their true intentions! Eyes really are the window to the soul afterall! ^^

 It also occurred to me that glasses are also used as the typical cliche to characterize someone intelligent! Like, said character uses glasses because he reads a lot, and therefore possesses "theoretical intelligence"! Once again that leads me to another point that enforces that "glasses=bad guy", which is: "knowledge corrupts"!

 So while an ignorant character remains pure and uncorrupted (and usually possesses "emotional intelligence"), a character who knows too much might easily become corrupted by the power of that knowledge!

 But, in that case, would a good guy be allowed to wear glasses? heh ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 15, 2007, 01:06:17 PM
To bring back a little bit that got split off:

Quote from: fignae
Quote from: Koveras
So, still no luck in translating that article?

The Newtype article? I can't translate, but it seems to have nothing I haven't heard before from here, except for that bit about 'although their relationship is that of hunter and hunted, friendship develops between them'. The framework isn't important, I think--execution is everything.

Yeah, I got confirmation from Makoto that there's no additional information in there.

I also saw something in the comments of his blog that makes me think that the single for "Romanesque" is due out pretty soon.  But I am likely misreading the awful Google translation...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 15, 2007, 03:04:22 PM
Then I guess, the point of publishing that article was solely to show us the faces of the characters. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 15, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Then I guess, the point of publishing that article was solely to show us the faces of the characters. %)

 Which was good enough of a reason already I think! ;D Now I wonder if they'll be releasing some sort of trailer or teaser before this starts airing... though I don't remember seeing any for Madlax, back then.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 15, 2007, 04:44:46 PM
Then I guess, the point of publishing that article was solely to show us the faces of the characters. %)

Well, maybe more like that NewType article was the announcement, but thanks to the internets, the info leaked out a couple of days early.  I think as it was, the scan was an early leak too.

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 16, 2007, 06:44:34 AM
I wonder whether Jodie and Nadie are somehow connected to each other...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 16, 2007, 10:41:51 AM
Well, maybe more like that NewType article was the announcement, but thanks to the internets, the info leaked out a couple of days early.  I think as it was, the scan was an early leak too.

 I think they did a wonderfull job keeping the information from leaking before 2007 actually! Specially considering all the speculation, anxiety, and pression to know something more from the part of the fans! :)

I wonder whether Jodie and Nadie are somehow connected to each other...

 I you're wondering if they're gonna have some sort of rivalry (like Madlax/Limelda), well yeah, I suppose they're gonna be opposed in a way. Though Jodie doesn't come across as someone who would be opposing her enemies in a physical way (you know shooting around or kicking ass :P which seems pretty much to be Nadie's style and what would be expected from a bounty hunter...) but rather rely on intellect (remember she has glasses! ;D). On the other hand... who knows? She might be completely unpredictable! I'm awfully curious as to why the "blue eyes" nickname, other than the obvious reason that "she has blue eyes"! ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 16, 2007, 11:03:40 AM
I you're wondering if they're gonna have some sort of rivalry (like Madlax/Limelda), well yeah, I suppose they're gonna be opposed in a way.

No, actually, I've meant that their names kinda sound similar, Naria and Eriya in Escaflowne, so I was thinking that maybe they have common back-story or something. %)

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Though Jodie doesn't come across as someone who would be opposing her enemies in a physical way (you know shooting around or kicking ass :P which seems pretty much to be Nadie's style and what would be expected from a bounty hunter...) but rather rely on intellect (remember she has glasses! ;D).

Maybe. That'd be even cool if Jodie turns out to be a tactical genius like Artemis Fowl or Luloush in Code Geass. %)

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On the other hand... who knows? She might be completely unpredictable! I'm awfully curious as to why the "blue eyes" nickname, other than the obvious reason that "she has blue eyes"! ^^;

I guess, that's her criminal alias or codename of sorts and judging by how personal it is, I'd say she is an elite. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on February 16, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
No, actually, I've meant that their names kinda sound similar, Naria and Eriya in Escaflowne, so I was thinking that maybe they have common back-story or something. %)

 Oh, you mean like... some sort of... relatives, or old partners? Now that you mention their names are slightly similar, but they don't look alike at all, not even slightly, in my opinion! ^^; Hmm... I think they both have blue eyes though! Maybe having blue eyes in this anime series grants you special abilities! :P Ellis has blue eyes too btw...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 16, 2007, 01:40:13 PM
Oh, you mean like... some sort of... relatives, or old partners? Now that you mention their names are slightly similar, but they don't look alike at all, not even slightly, in my opinion! ^^; Hmm... I think they both have blue eyes though! Maybe having blue eyes in this anime series grants you special abilities! :P Ellis has blue eyes too btw...

Nah, Ellis' are purple (at least, on that bar image, and in her character profile they are slightly purplish blue), just like Madlax's - get the hint, btw. ;) But as for the similarity and connection, say, was there anything common in M&K appearance? =) So, I'd say former partners may be an educated guess. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 17, 2007, 01:27:16 AM
Ooh, Fellini, is that you Makoto's blog (http://tenchyo.seesaa.net/article/33855280.html) is referring to? How sweet.

Apparently he's gotten wind of the manga news and, on searching for the mangaka's former works, found that he does ecchi stuff? Heh.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 17, 2007, 01:08:47 PM
Yup, that's me; we've been exchanging info for nearly a year now, I think.  Thankfully, his wife is an English teacher and has helped out a lot, because I really can't tell what the heck he's writing over there -- Google and Bablefish only help so much... :)

"A shaman daughter of punishment person" -- I'm going to have to ask him just what the heck that means!   :D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 20, 2007, 08:35:13 AM
They've updated the character section on the website. :) Somehow, Jodie looks quite likable... But her page is named "bl.html", meaning that her codename will be probably the more common way to address her. Hum.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 20, 2007, 01:44:10 PM
Jodi is smiling, and her eyes are large, her mouth regular-sized, suggesting an open and friendly character. ;D Whilst the full-length pictures give a slightly different impression. Okay, she's a mystery.

So there's L.A. And the three men, plus one obligatory loli.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 20, 2007, 01:58:40 PM
Maybe Jodie's gonna be like Lady Une in Gundam Wing - Colonel Jodie ("Col. Blue Eyes"?) and Saint Jodie, or something. %) She IS from CIA, after all...

So there's L.A. And the three men, plus one obligatory loli.

And a shota, too. :D Well, he's called "bishounen" on the site but I think we know better. ^^

PS: Comments on the newest revelations:

I'm still puzzled by Nadi's character description, though... Does she have a survivor guilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_guilt) or what?

And I've guessed correctly: Schneider IS from Germany. Am I cool or what? ;D And he looks like an aufrechter Deutscher, too. %)

Rosenberg. Douglas Rosenberg. He's from CIA, as well. :D

And we've received confirmation on Rilio's identity. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 20, 2007, 02:05:19 PM
For a moment I thought LA might be female, then I checked the seiyuu to see if there is such a possiblity but I guess there isn't.  ;D

And I'd like to see Jodi without this stric hairstyle. The google traslation says that she is "OL which works in the Central Intelligence Agency accounting section." But the nickname seems to point out that this job might be just a cover up for her other duties. She smiles too kindly not to kick some ass.  :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 20, 2007, 02:32:41 PM
From what I gather, there are gonna be indeed, two societies in the series (similarly to Gazth-Sonika and Nafrece): one is wild-west style setting (for Nadi, Ricardo, and Lirio) and the other is, likely, USA (Rosenberg, Hayward, and Schneider). Ellis is originally from the former one but has lived in the latter for the most of her life as a test subject for Project Leviathan. This is starting to look very interesting. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: zlodei on February 23, 2007, 02:28:00 AM
This will be the first time I watch an anime series immediately as soon as possible, all the other anime I've watched was at least 2 years old when I got my hands on it (by internet), so forgive my ignorance on this matter.

The series is airing in April in Japan right? So when can we expect to be able to get English fansubs? How long of a wait between episodes?

Argh, I want to see it now, it looks like it could be the next classic. But let's not get our hopes up too high, after all an optimist is never pleasantly surprised.  ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 23, 2007, 04:40:09 AM
Well, usually the first fansubs appear in 2-3 weeks after the show starts airing. Large existing groups already have enough projects on their hands and it takes time to establish a new one. However, it is usually so that people take most of the time just to notice a new series and decide that it's worth translating - my point being that for a new installments of a famous series like this the whole process may go much faster. :)

As for the wait between the episodes, AFAIK subj'll follow the standard "episode-every-week" so we are gonna get a new fansub every 7 (plus-minus 2 or 3) days once some group takes on it. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 23, 2007, 08:43:32 AM
If I recall correctly, when MADLAX was airing, it was on Monday nights in Japan.  There were 2 competing groups (and a third group taking their time).  Ususally, one or the other would have the sub up by Thursday, like it was a race.  So I always declared Thursday as "MADLAX Day".  ;D

Occasionally, near the climax, it would show up on Wednesday.

Not sure how much enthusiasm there is for this round.  There's a list out there somewhere that shows what groups are considering what shows, but animesuki isn't responding this morning, so I can't get to the link.

Title: Series begins April 2nd?
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on February 23, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
New news on the official site: http://www.elcazador.tv/main.html

Unfortunately, it looks like it's in the image file itself, so no machine translation.  Grrr.

But besides the manga release, it looks like they're saying that the premiere is on April 2nd at 1:30AM.  Actually, "25:30".  So I don't remember if that means it's in the overnight from Monday to Tuesday, or Sunday to Monday.  I'm guessing M-T, but would appreciate a correction.

Also, it may not be the premiere, but a trailer airdate.  Anyone care to clarify?  Because I have no clue.  :)

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on February 23, 2007, 11:24:13 AM
It should be about the premiere, the date sounds too late for a trailer release and it mentions television on the same line, I guess it might be the name of the channel it will be broadcasted on.

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As for the wait between the episodes, AFAIK subj'll follow the standard "episode-every-week" so we are gonna get a new fansub every 7 (plus-minus 2 or 3) days once some group takes on it.

That's the case only with really popular series, if El Cazador does not turn to be one we might be very irregular releases.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 23, 2007, 12:18:10 PM
Hmm, I'll have the Chinese subs, no worries here. :P I'm sure there will be lots of enthusiasm from that quarter. I will kinda be taking a vacation during that time, though, so no waiting for El Cazador for me. That's slightly depressing.

What the image says, approximately:

April 2nd (Monday) Late-night 25:30 TV Tokyo will begin airing it.
Weekly show, every Monday, from 25:30 to 26:00.

El Cazador comic will begin serialization in Champion RED (Akida Bookstore?) May issue (March 19th)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on February 23, 2007, 04:11:24 PM
Updated the wiki. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: zlodei on February 24, 2007, 04:41:27 AM
Thanks for the info. It's going to be tough waiting between episodes, but at least that way I won't go over my usage limit.   >:(
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on February 26, 2007, 07:20:24 AM
The OP, "Hikari no Yukue" by savage genius, now has a release date: May 16th 2007.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VICL-36611
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: hayama on March 04, 2007, 10:57:07 AM
Anyone have any exciting plans for watching the show? I'm probably going to watch at least the first few episodes of it back to back with the corresponding episodes of the other series in the girls-with-guns trilogy. 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on March 04, 2007, 12:35:42 PM
Anyone have any exciting plans for watching the show? I'm probably going to watch at least the first few episodes of it back to back with the corresponding episodes of the other series in the girls-with-guns trilogy. 

That reminds me when I was a little kid. I remember the third Alladin movie was being released and my sister and I were planning an entire day to watch all three and all sorts of activities to correspond to it ^^;

Suffice to say, we got bored pretty quickly. Ever since I've never done anything like that ^^; I'll just watch it as I would a normal series. I'll be excited, but I won't treat it that differently.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 04, 2007, 02:15:12 PM
 Heh, I think we should all watch it after a pasta dinner, with the lights turned off to appreciate the moonlight, and drinking tea, of course! ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Teufel on March 05, 2007, 12:18:49 AM
Depending on what "El Cazador" does with its western-ish setting I might have a Sergio Leone marathon. And if I get all my Bee Train anime orders in, maybe I'll have a huge Bee Train marathon before I watch the first fan subbed "El Cazador" episode.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 06, 2007, 10:34:51 AM
Story and News on the official site have been updated. :D Basically, there is a trailer and summaries of the first two episodes (the first is nothing new, in the second, Nadi and Ellis will try to get a decent job but fail miserably). The is something about "Victor Spring Magazine" on the news which I'm not sure was there before. Can someone translate that part?

Ok, comments on the topic... Now, even I ain't sure I like where this is heading. Fine, the first episode summary sounds like something we could expect from makers of Noir and Madlax. But the second is a bit... mainstream? Two cute girls trying to get a job in the restaurant but failing because the evil proprietor Frieda (she's German, too) doesn't like the fact that one of them is carrying a gun. Duh.

On the bright side, I'm sure something like that could have been written about any given Margaret-only episode. Exclude the incomprehensible parts with books and that jester Monday and you've got it. The devil's in the details.

Then, the trailer. The music is OK. I can't say it can go like this for some time without getting annoying but for a trailer it is fine. Oh well, now I have the nerve to speak about the real thing troubling me. WTF is up with Nadi? I mean, ain't she supposed to be the vigilante bounty hunter who absolutely cannot be the typical comic relief character? OK, fine, that final shot of her is awesome, taken directly from Madlax, but the rest? Ellis doesn't appear too impressive, either.

The only hope is that Mashimo is a huge tease (hey, we should really make it our community's motto!) and he deliberately cut all the good parts from the trailer, leaving only the final shot to keep us from disappointment. ^^

PS: Oh, and was that a one Euro coin Nadi tossed into Ellis' box?

PPS: And which body part does Ricardo use for cognitive processes, taking his stepdaughter with him on an assignment? Unless she is really one of the Saplings. OMG.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on March 06, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
How the heck one does open this trailer? I click on the link, it opens it in a new window and nothing happens...:(
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 06, 2007, 11:37:12 AM
How the heck one does open this trailer? I click on the link, it opens it in a new window and nothing happens...:(

I've uploaded the trailer to YouTube, it should become viewable within several minutes:

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on March 06, 2007, 12:26:20 PM
Thanks!

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On the bright side, I'm sure something like that could have been written about any given Margaret-only episode. Exclude the incomprehensible parts with books and that jester Monday and you've got it. The devil's in the details.

It's not as if exciting sounding plots are Bee Train's forte anyway. As you say you can retell some of Madlax's episode and make them seems absolute borefest. Or most .hack//SIGN  episodes.

I like the music of the trailer, it's quite Kajiurish. :) Nadj (or however her name is spelt) gives the impression of being more imilar to the more relaxed approach of Madlax, rather than that of Mireille which is fine by me as long as it does not go to far. I want to see what happens to the idiot who slaps her butt, it might be indicative for the seriousness level of the show. And Ellis seems to excel in the blank stare so reminiscent of Margaret. But I never expect much from trailers anyway.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 06, 2007, 01:50:14 PM
That's got me hopping up and down on one foot in sheer excitement.

I think it may be true that Bee Train is shooting for a more mainstream series this time. I mean, c'mon, an anime, manga, and radio show? Well, I wish it success.

edit: Whoops. Well, if you can't view the trailer, using a download manager still works.

The news item states that starting in March (that means it already has), the El Cazador radio show will air. As it begins before the animation, we may get to know more about the series through the radio program. The personalities are Shimizu Ai (Ellis) and Miyake Kenta (Rosenberg)... and those who might listen in can read the timings for themselves. ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on March 06, 2007, 02:23:37 PM
So, no high-res version of the trailer, fignae (I see you have edited your post)? I looked and looked for it but no luck. Just a high-res version of some stupid show talking about Tokimeki Memorial if I am not mistaken. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 06, 2007, 02:36:47 PM
Yup, nothing. "B" seems to represent the highest-res they have, too....

Seriously, I'd love anyone who can get their hands on a copy of that radio show. :-\ I'm not familiar with the world of peercast.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 06, 2007, 02:40:41 PM
 I liked the music, it sounded exciting! :)

 Hmm... I guess Ellis either killed someone or witnessed someone get killed... But gah, she's blond, it's just not the same! She's like... chibi Mireille! ^^;

 Nadi looks kinda silly and "comic relief", and way too relaxed to be a bounty hunter (even more so than Madlax I would say), but she's probably amazingly skilled and turns into serious kickass mode when in action... I hope so at least! ^^

PS: Oh, and was that a one Euro coin Nadi tossed into Ellis' box?

 Looked like it to me too, though judging from the setting location I would say it's very unlikely...

 And who the heck was that shadowy figure hiding in the rooftop? How very suspicious...

I want to see what happens to the idiot who slaps her butt

 That was so fanservice (at least according to Bee-Train standarts)! ^^; The funny face she did after that was kinda amusing, though I'm not sure if it was the reaction to being slapped on the butt or to something else. Remember trailers are ambiguous! They edit the scenes in a manipulative way to give us a certain idea of the show that might be very different from the real thing! Oh right... I almost forgot, "Mashimo is a huge tease"... :P

 Oh that part at the end, when Nadi draws her gun, it really reminded me of "Kino" from "Kino no Tabi" for some weird reason! (btw did someone added that series to the GwG list yet?)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 06, 2007, 02:59:48 PM
And who the heck was that shadowy figure hiding in the rooftop? How very suspicious...

I'd say that was L.A. He is the only one after Ellis who is described as "mysterious". ^^

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Oh that part at the end, when Nadi draws her gun, it really reminded me of "Kino" from "Kino no Tabi" for some weird reason! (btw did someone added that series to the GwG list yet?)

No, but you are more than welcome to suggest it. ;)

Btw, what's with that pendant that Jodie wears? It looks like Hitomi's in Escaflowne. ^^
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on March 06, 2007, 04:05:28 PM
hahahaha I love the trailer, it’s exactly what a picture the anime to be, am not disappoint with nothing, I was already convincing myself since the bishoujo manga that El Cazador was going to be more or less funny.

So we have the typical murder flashback and euros lol isn't that suppose to be in Europe strange and Nadi really did seem like Madlax in that last shoot and for Ellis well she can do card tricks I surely didn’t see that coming lol. Lirio and Ricardo remember me a lot of Coyote Ragtime Show.

That slap in the butt OMG that was so bad I laugh so hard, I mean I really didn't expect to go so far, this definitely seem more light them Noir and Madlax if was not for the flashback.

But there is still hope because I saw the trailer that ADV make of Madlax and it gave the wrong idea about the show or Mashimo is like Kojima and want to trick us with the trailer.

Btw, what's with that pendant that Jodie wears? It looks like Hitomi's in Escaflowne. ^^

yap I notice that to. 
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 06, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Ellis well she can do card tricks

 Ah, I think you're right! I didn't noticed it was her playing with the cards before. These short trailers can be very deceiving... So I guess she was doing card tricks for money, that's why Nadi gave her the euro lookalike coins!

That slap in the butt OMG that was so bad I laugh so hard, I mean I really didn't expect to go so far

 If they're just being a tease with the trailer, like the Madlax ADV one, that slap in the butt might very well be one of the very few fanserviced scenes in the entire anime, so of course it had to show up in the trailer! ^^;

 Btw, I just noticed, in that slap scene, it might not be Nadi after all, because her shorts are a different colour. Her shorts are black and the ones in that scene are white!

 Still can't help laughing at that expression though! I guess it's not so anime deformed just yet, some people make those sort of faces at times! ^^;

Btw, what's with that pendant that Jodie wears? It looks like Hitomi's in Escaflowne. ^^

yap I notice that to.

 Maybe it's somehow related to Jodie's "blue eyes" nickname... maybe she can see into the future with that pendant... maybe that's her special skill... ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 07, 2007, 01:57:19 AM
Btw, I just noticed, in that slap scene, it might not be Nadi after all, because her shorts are a different colour. Her shorts are black and the ones in that scene are white!

Exactly, I was wondering about that, too. ^^

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Still can't help laughing at that expression though! I guess it's not so anime deformed just yet, some people make those sort of faces at times! ^^;

Yeah, but what about the one she makes when Ellis stands up and walks away on her?

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Maybe it's somehow related to Jodie's "blue eyes" nickname... maybe she can see into the future with that pendant... maybe that's her special skill... ^^;

Hm... Btw, if Ellis is indeed the one doing the card tricks, it once again reminds me of Hitomi Kanzaki who used Tarot for fortune-telling. ^^ Oh, and "Hitomi Kanzaki" allegedly means "eyes of the stars", too. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 07, 2007, 09:01:30 AM
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Still can't help laughing at that expression though! I guess it's not so anime deformed just yet, some people make those sort of faces at times! ^^;

Yeah, but what about the one she makes when Ellis stands up and walks away on her?

 Ok, that one was a bit too much! ^^; But it still wouldn't be physically impossible to mimic that kind of facial expression. As long as the eyes don't pop out of the character's face, or other impossible comic relief reactions (like turning into stone for example) are used I think I'm ok with that. I'm not entirely sure about sweatdrops or nosebleeds, since those are possible, except they are also anime cliches, exaggerated to portray unrealistic reactions. :-\

 Heck, I think I would even be fine with some subtle sweatdrops, as long as they don't oversize it like it's done at times, but let there NOT be nosebleeds, that'd be way too much! Specially because nosebleeds usually imply fanservice aswell... ^^;

 As for the radio show, unless it gets released later on (as what is referred to as an audio-drama CD I think), the only chance for us to get a hold of it would be if someone recorded it from Japanese radio and shared it online. I don't know if it's a common thing to do... Either way, you'd have to understand Japanese or had it translated to read along. Personally, I'm not that interested, it just doesn't sound so fun, though this sort of thing seems to be kinda popular among anime fans and not so unusually done for the more mainstream anime shows.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 07, 2007, 10:38:10 AM
I've just digged up some information on the opening... Apparently, FictionJunction WAKANA released (http://www.fictionjunction.com/fjcom/fictionjunction.html) a song with exactly the same title (光の行方) for the OST of "Fist of the North Star", whatever that is. It can't be?..

PS: Can someone find the song, just for the record?
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 07, 2007, 04:26:43 PM
Heck, I think I would even be fine with some subtle sweatdrops, as long as they don't oversize it like it's done at times, but let there NOT be nosebleeds, that'd be way too much! Specially because nosebleeds usually imply fanservice aswell... ^^;

I'm finding this level of seriousness really funny, especially the "oversize" bit. Better comedy than the teaser!

It's sort of comforting to hear that Tencho-sama is surprised that the radio show will not be on internet radio. They seem very focused on Tokyo here.

B-But nobody cares about Hokuto no Ken, Koveras....
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 07, 2007, 04:33:52 PM
B-But nobody cares about Hokuto no Ken, Koveras....

But that non-EC "Hikari no Yukue" WAS composed by Kajiura, never the less. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 07, 2007, 07:38:54 PM
PS: Can someone find the song, just for the record?

 Sorry, but I couldn't find the Hokuto no Ken song... I found a torrent link for all the OSTs but that felt like too much effort! ^^; If you still want it Koveras, I can send it to you though. :P

B-But nobody cares about Hokuto no Ken, Koveras....

 Or at least, not the usual Yuki Kajiura fans, they wouldn't... ^^; I think Hokuto no Ken is basically a bloody violent show about a bunch of bulky sweaty man beating the hell out of each other, and they're very emotional and cry a lot it seems... :P I guess it's a japanese thing... ^^; I think I saw a similar anime, "Ginga Densetsu Weed", except with dogs! ;D

I'm finding this level of seriousness really funny, especially the "oversize" bit. Better comedy than the teaser!

 Oh! Was my seriousness amusing? Well, thanks I guess... ^^; I just hope they really don't overdo it with the unrealistic facial expressions, I actually find it not funny when some animes do that, cuz it feels like they're trying too hard to be funny! :-\
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 08, 2007, 02:17:48 AM
Sorry, but I couldn't find the Hokuto no Ken song... I found a torrent link for all the OSTs but that felt like too much effort! ^^; If you still want it Koveras, I can send it to you though. :P

Please, do. :)

Or at least, not the usual Yuki Kajiura fans, they wouldn't... ^^; I think Hokuto no Ken is basically a bloody violent show about a bunch of bulky sweaty man beating the hell out of each other, and they're very emotional and cry a lot it seems... :P

It's not like I was planning on watching it, anyway. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: hayama on March 08, 2007, 08:08:55 AM
Sorry, but I couldn't find the Hokuto no Ken song... I found a torrent link for all the OSTs but that felt like too much effort! ^^; If you still want it Koveras, I can send it to you though. :P


Could you post it here from yousendit? I'd really like to hear it also!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 08, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
 Ok, I don't mean to go offtopic, I didn't downloaded the torrents myself, but this is what I found:

Hokuto no Ken - Premium collection: BMG and OSTs from the anime (http://datorrents.com/download.asp?id=12554&name=%5BNaiko%20Team%5D%20Hokuto%20no%20Ken%20-%20Premium%20collection.torrent)

Hokuto No Ken (Fist Of The North Star) OSTs 北斗の拳 5CDs (http://www.boxtorrents.com/download.php/126813/Hokuto%20No%20Ken%20(Fist%20Of%20The%20North%20Star)%20OSTs.torrent)

 The song in question might or might not be in one of these OST compilations, I'm not even sure! ^^; I'm not sure if the torrents are active either... :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 08, 2007, 11:45:04 AM
Well, the thing is, this song is not in the original HnK, but rather in the recent "True Saviour Legend" OVA and it seems there have yet been no official OST albums released. ^^

PS: Ain't we swaying off topic here? o.O
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 08, 2007, 01:35:53 PM
PS: Ain't we swaying off topic here? o.O

 Your fault! ^^

 Well, if I find the song later I'll open a thread and post the link there! And I suggest everyone else that comes across it first to do the same! :)

 [/offtopic]
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 08, 2007, 04:10:27 PM
Hey, I've just noticed that the IMDB cites our wiki for the plot summary of EC:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0976008/plotsummary

Are we cool or what? ;D
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 08, 2007, 04:47:11 PM
 That's neat! :) We can expect that link to attract more people to this forum aswell! ^^

 BTW... it would be cool if a new, longer El Cazador trailer was released before the show starts airing! ;D I must have seen that teaser some 100 times already and I just can't seem to get tired of it... ^^; I guess I am THAT anxious to watch it! :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: hayama on March 08, 2007, 05:55:05 PM
Wow, IMDB is really jumping up to the bat with new anime now, aren't they? I remember only a year or so ago they only added most series well after they had been licensed for release in the United States.
Title: April's NewType = More El Cazador!
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 10, 2007, 06:05:00 PM
Took a break from being way too busy to have a look over at Makoto's blog and sure enough...
http://tenchyo.seesaa.net/article/35679415.html

A new NewType article for April's issue!  He graciously posted scans for us, so I've mirrored them in the gallery:
(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1220&g2_serialNumber=1) (http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1218&g2_serialNumber=1)

From what I can make out of the Google translation of his post, there's nothing particularly new about the article besides an interview with Itou Shizuka.

He also provided a "bilingual" version of the little "relationship diagram" inset:
(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1221&g2_serialNumber=1)

Check out that pic of Jody!  Rowr!   ;D  But holy cow, what the heck is going on?


I still haven't had a chance to comment on the preview yet... *sigh*  Though I have watched it repeatedly.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 10, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
Check out that pic of Jody!  Rowr!   ;D

Yeah, I didn't even realize it was her until I deciphered the caption. ^^

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But holy cow, what the heck is going on?

22 days. ;)

So, it seems, Rosenberg is behind the hunt after Ellis (is he "El Cazador"?), he hires L.A. and Jodie (probably working for him) hires Nadie. Plus, Ricardo is also working for him. Looks like a certain computer geek/criminal mastermind to me. ^^; And what's up with that affection thing between Ellis and Schneider? Is that like in Nabokov's story? %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 10, 2007, 07:31:38 PM
 Hey cool pic! I like Ellis making bubbles! ^^ Cute! :D

 I think, like that, Jodie now looks scary and dangerous enough to be the Chloe/Limelda character after all! ^^;

 I think the affection thing between Ellis and Schneider might be because Schneider is probably sort of a father figure for Ellis. He manipulated her DNA, so he's kinda like "her creator" and she's "his creation" in a way. On the other hand, she allegedly killed him! :P And though those accusations might be false to begin with, and intended to frame her, I wouldn't be too surprised if they turned out to be accurate after all... ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 10, 2007, 10:25:15 PM
Affection? Love, more like! Always disturbing, in anime.... I swear....

The thing that really stuck with me after skimming Itou Shizuka's interview is how often she used the word "bright": to describe her character, mostly, but also for the atmosphere in the studio, because she knows many of the actors there.

I should go study more Japanese grammar; really want to understand that!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 10, 2007, 10:36:07 PM
Affection? Love, more like! Always disturbing, in anime.... I swear....

 Oh, so is that kanji wrongly translated in the pic?

 I also noticed, there's a question mark between Rosenberg and Jodie... maybe they're having some sort of affair (like the Carrossea X Limelda thing)...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 11, 2007, 04:21:31 AM
like the Carrossea X Limelda thing

It'll end up the same way, too. ^^;

Btw, does Nadie's gun in the pic look like a Colt Government to anyone here? Because to me, it doesn't, not quite. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 11, 2007, 06:38:34 AM
Oh, so is that kanji wrongly translated in the pic?

It's not wrong. But "love" is the more common interpretation.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Mihura on March 11, 2007, 10:49:26 AM
I've just digged up some information on the opening... Apparently, FictionJunction WAKANA released (http://www.fictionjunction.com/fjcom/fictionjunction.html) a song with exactly the same title (光の行方) for the OST of "Fist of the North Star", whatever that is. It can't be?..

PS: Can someone find the song, just for the record?

I found this FictionJunction J-music (http://www.fictionjunction.be/2007/03/11/preview-fictionjunction-wakana-and-hokuto-no-ken/)

The picture is really cool.
We could say that Ellis isn't going to use guns, so far she was never seen with  one.
It made wonder what kind of power she has to people hunter her down, may be some kind of mahou shoujo power that give powers to do card trick and bubbles XD or she was in her DNA something that the FBI wants.

I think the affection thing between Ellis and Schneider might be because Schneider is probably sort of a father figure for Ellis.
I think that to, it make more sense.
Title: More scans from April's NewType
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 11, 2007, 04:03:18 PM
Hooray for Makoto again (http://tenchyo.seesaa.net/article/35750192.html)!  Even more from the April NewType:

(http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1225&g2_serialNumber=1) (http://www.beetrainfan.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1223&g2_serialNumber=1)

A couple of translated key points from his post to tide us over:


>Nadie=Latin-style and a human feeling
>Ellis=Japanese-style, DRY

>Rosenberg
Chief Operation Central Intelligence Agency.He is engaged in an absolutely confidential project in "room 339". He is the excellent agent which has acquaintances into politicians.

>Jodie "Blue-eyes" Hayward
She is a member of Central Intelligence Agency accounting section. She always has trouble with documents of the groundless transacting business that Rosenberg always submits. She is an office lady having weak mind superficially, but, in fact, has an absolutely confidential duty.

>L.A.
The mystery boy who approaches Ellis. He shows strange deep attachment in Ellis and sends the picture which he photographed in a video camera to Rosenberg. However, his true purpose is unclear.


More little tidbits!  I saw the "Room 339" thing before, I think on the official site's character pages, but this is just a little more detail.

Oh, and it looks like one of his commenters has been calling Jodie "kowai hito"...   ;D

More later, hopefully!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 11, 2007, 04:12:44 PM
 LOL Just from the pic I could tell L.A. looked like a creep, holding that camera in the dark and all! ^^; His character description only confirms it: he is a creepy stalker! ;D Poor Ellis! ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 11, 2007, 05:32:07 PM
>Jodie "Blue-eyes" Hayward
She is a member of Central Intelligence Agency accounting section. She always has trouble with documents of the groundless transacting business that Rosenberg always submits. She is an office lady having weak mind superficially, but, in fact, has an absolutely confidential duty.

Wow, what a surprise! ;D She is definitely one person to be afraid of. %)

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>L.A.
The mystery boy who approaches Ellis. He shows strange deep attachment in Ellis and sends the picture which he photographed in a video camera to Rosenberg. However, his true purpose is unclear.

So he is basically there to observe and to report in. :)

LOL Just from the pic I could tell L.A. looked like a creep, holding that camera in the dark and all! ^^; His character description only confirms it: he is a creepy stalker! ;D Poor Ellis! ^^;

So he is a Jodie's colleague: she's gonna stalk Nadie (in the later episodes) and he's gonna stalk Ellis for the entire show... or, wait, maybe he gets killed half-way through. Bee Train's male characters seem to lack necessary survival skills, after all. %)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 12, 2007, 01:59:18 AM
*shorts out so that she cannot remember how to use the quote function*

Thank you, Mihura! There is ample reason to look for Hokuto no Ken after all. The movie even premiered yesterday.

[i was...kidding...Koveras... ;)]
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 12, 2007, 03:16:37 AM
*shorts out so that she cannot remember how to use the quote function*

Code: [Select]
[quote]quotation[/quote]
Or simply press the "Quote" button in the top-right corner of the quoted message and wait for it to be copied into the quick reply field. =^_^=
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 12, 2007, 12:43:10 PM
An online friend made sound clips of the OP and ED from an online radio broadcast (low bitrate radio quality). I got permission from her to link to them here. If anyone's curious.

El Cazador OP, "Hikari no Yukue" - savage genius (http://www.esnips.com/doc/e29ab90d-3096-4843-94d2-29b99d2b00ed/Hikari-no-Yukue%5B-El-Cazador-op%5D--savage-genius)

El Cazador ED, "romanesque"- FictionJunction YUUKA (http://www.esnips.com/doc/dd18e968-3108-47a3-80f6-5c13591a7b80/romanesque-%5BEl-Cazador-ed%5D--FictionJunction-YUUKA)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 12, 2007, 02:03:10 PM
If anyone's curious.

Geez, that's one daring assumption. %)

Well, I can say that both songs are very good (even in that quality) and the ED sounds more Latin. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 12, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
 Oh wow that's so cool! Thank you very much Fignae! ^^

 I think both songs suggest very well the feel of the anime, and both are coherent with each other (with is great for songs made by different artists). The OP theme is just a slight bit more pop and racing and the ED more slow paced, but surprisingly, not as much as it would be expected, both are in very good syntony. I like both, but I think I'll have an even better opinion (hopefully) when I get to see the OP/ED animations! :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on March 12, 2007, 04:43:13 PM
Thanks for the link, fignae. Strangely enough for now I like the Savage Genius song more and I am an obsessed FictionJunction YUUKA fanboy.  ;D

Anyway, these new pics make me fear a bit Ellis might tur out to be too "moe" for my taste, but we will see. As for the comedy elements, I have started watching The Irresponsible Captain Tylor and it seems that Mashimo can handle comedy very well indeed.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: hayama on March 12, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
I like the FictionJunction song a bit better. I think that it's a bit more exciting and atypical than the other, which sounds pretty much like any other J-pop song (except obviously much more skillfully composed than most). I'd also much prefer the voice of Yuuka Nanri to that of the lead singer (is it a band?) of Savage Genius.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 13, 2007, 03:27:43 AM
the lead singer (is it a band?) of Savage Genius.

It's a duo. ^^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_genius
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: nae on March 13, 2007, 03:40:33 AM
I'll pass the thanks on. :D

Geez, that's one daring assumption. %)

Hey, I wasn't really.... Okay, I jumped a bit. :-X Been in a would-rather-not-be-spoiled slump regarding El Cazador lately.

I'd also much prefer the voice of Yuuka Nanri to that of the lead singer (is it a band?) of Savage Genius.

[Aaaaah, Koveras beat me to it!]

As I wrote... savage genius is Aa and Takumi, who collaborate on writing their music. They only have one album to date, although they've done a fair number of anime OP and EDs like the Uta Kata OP, Erementar Gerad's OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqfTKcKQQ_A) (a series Kajiura Yuki also worked on--love it!), and more recently, Simoun's ED. I didn't like them for the longest time, and then I heard Kaze no Kessho, listened to the Simoun ED, and somehow the voice and music just clicked. I have a very (excessively?) high opinion of their (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYoic2I4i-M) live performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-_NMbYpG0) too, after fangirling over the Animelo 2006 lives.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 13, 2007, 05:48:21 AM
Anyway, these new pics make me fear a bit Ellis might tur out to be too "moe" for my taste, but we will see.

 You mean, because of the bubbles, or because of the creepy fanboy stalker? ^^;
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Teufel on March 13, 2007, 06:36:23 AM
Hmm, is "El Cazador" definitely going to be a lighter, more comedic anime? If so I have to say that makes me slightly nervous since the only Bee Train anime I've seen that went that route is ".hack//Legend of the Twilight" and I thought it was pretty much all around terrible. :-\ On the other hand they've given us two amazing girls-with-guns animes so I guess they've earned the benefit of the doubt.  :)

Trailers are tricky because something bad can have a great trailer and something good can have a terrible trailer. But this one was just kind of meh. Of course it's still great and exciting just to see the characters actually animated and moving. ;D

I really like the OP and ED, thanks for the links fignae. Can't wait to get the high quality versions. I'm leaning towards like the Savage Senius song more, though I've generally liked the OPs more than the EDs in most of the anime I've watched (which granted isn't much...)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 13, 2007, 09:02:02 AM
Hmm, is "El Cazador" definitely going to be a lighter, more comedic anime?

I think that's what's going around in all of our heads. :) My opinion on the matter is that the complete picture of the trilogy, which Mashimo has always had in his head, is slightly different from the one he presented in its first two thirds. "Different" in the sense of "broader", here. However, for six years we've been familiarizing ourself with Noir and Madlax, so it'll be exponentially more difficult for us to accept "the entire truth". The only question we should be asking ourselves is whether or not Mashimo will pull off the trick of making a smooth transition between the stylings, make us like El Cazador just as we liked Madlax after Noir. :)

It's that subjective, yeah. :) I mean, EC won't even be the first "light, comedic" anime in the GWG genre - think of Grenadier, for example: it hasn't got any worse because of all the comedic relief and fanservice, which is mainly channeled through the main (!) heroine, and it's even brought innovation into the anime gun fights (see below). I mean, fine, the scene was copied from Equilibrium, but it's unique in anime. :) Mashimo can come up with something fun, too. %)

Spoiler: Gun Katas in Grenadier • show
[yt=425,350]cIOxsYDHWGc[/yt]
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on March 13, 2007, 10:34:11 AM
I can't wait. The OP and ED I can already tell will become favorites for me.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 13, 2007, 10:36:55 AM
(unprecedented and unbeaten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIOxsYDHWGc)).

 Heh, a bit too much unnecessary bouncing on that video I think... ^^; Still, not as absurd as Equilibrium with the gun posing! Madlax had her moments of absurd gun posing aswell, and I guess it got even closer to the gun kata in Equilibrium than that particular Grenadier scene.

 As for El Cazador, since it has a certain "western" feel to it, with the wanted posters and all, I wonder if we'll have some sort of one shot duels at noon, dust balls rolling around in a deserted town, random Saloon bar fights, and of course that classic whistling thing... if you know what I mean. :P
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 13, 2007, 10:51:02 AM
Heh, a bit too much unnecessary bouncing on that video I think... ^^;

I've warned you in advance, haven't I? ::) Besides, compared to THAT, Mashimo can't go too far, can he? Nah, not his style even considering all the foreshadows. %)

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Still, not as absurd as Equilibrium with the gun posing! Madlax had her moments of absurd gun posing aswell, and I guess it got even closer to the gun kata in Equilibrium than that particular Grenadier scene.

Well, actually, that Grenadier scene doesn't depict Gun Kata per se, it is, in fact, Gun Sau (seen in the final fight sequence of Equilibrium). The real Gun Kata is, indeed, performed in Madlax (the ultimate shootout in the church, episode 26, when Madlax is walking forward), as well as in Gundam Seed Destiny (episode 01, the Extendeds' assault on the Armory 1). ^^

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As for El Cazador, since it has a certain "western" feel to it, with the wanted posters and all, I wonder if we'll have some sort of one shot duels at noon, dust balls rolling around in a deserted town, random Saloon bar fights, and of course that classic whistling thing... if you know what I mean. :P

I dunno how fun are saloon bar fights to watch if neither Terence Hill nor Bud Spencer are participating in them, but the rest of what you named is just too cool IMO. Especially the whistling... and I also love the harmonica parts! =)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 13, 2007, 02:09:53 PM
I dunno how fun are saloon bar fights to watch if neither Terence Hill nor Bud Spencer are participating in them, but the rest of what you named is just too cool IMO. Especially the whistling... and I also love the harmonica parts! =)

 Yeah, I also think it is quite cool indeed! I'd find it quite amusing to see all that on El Cazador! And it's something not usually portrayed in many animes aswell, I guess...
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Matrim on March 13, 2007, 05:40:29 PM
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The real Gun Kata is, indeed, performed in Madlax (the ultimate shootout in the church, episode 26, when Madlax is walking forward), as well as in Gundam Seed Destiny (episode 01, the Extendeds' assault on the Armory 1).

Have you watched Black Lagoon? I think the shootouts in it are in a similar fashion.

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I'd find it quite amusing to see all that on El Cazador! And it's something not usually portrayed in many animes aswell, I guess...

I can think only of Trigun but it's technically sci-fi, not a western. :)

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You mean, because of the bubbles, or because of the creepy fanboy stalker? ^^;

Bubbles and appearance of the character but appearances often deceive and it could all be a marketting trick, who knows.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Section_8 on March 13, 2007, 10:54:06 PM
I still think Gunsmith Cats has the coolest reloading methods of all:

- one-handed using teeth
- one-footed by dropping clip and kicking it into gun
- one-bulleted by shooting last round in chamber at opponent holding clip, causing it to explode, then picking up one of the unexploded rounds and loading it

And I suspect we're being lulled into a false sense of security again. One of these characters is probably Cthulu.
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: zlodei on March 14, 2007, 03:02:56 AM


I can think only of Trigun but it's technically sci-fi, not a western. :)



Well if it's anything like Trigun, it will turn out to be the darkest installment yet!

Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 14, 2007, 04:52:02 AM
Have you watched Black Lagoon? I think the shootouts in it are in a similar fashion.

Not yet, but I'm intending to, more and more so by the day. %)

- one-footed by dropping clip and kicking it into gun

Yeah, that was cool, but the coolest reloads yet are the ones with two guns. ^^ I don't remember where I saw that, but my personal favourite is releasing the magazines, then letting fresh ones slide out of your sleeves into place. %)

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And I suspect we're being lulled into a false sense of security again. One of these characters is probably Cthulu.

Project Leviathan is actually the plan to awaken the Ancient One, you know. ;)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on March 16, 2007, 07:14:54 AM
They've uploaded the "new" background picture to the main page of the site and a redrawn logo. My, they must be desperate to produce some updates. ^^

--added--

And the fonts, too, how cute! =^.^=
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Ombrenuit on March 19, 2007, 02:57:14 PM
We should put a countdown on the front page!
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 19, 2007, 04:45:53 PM
Hmm.  Where'd that dang "calender" feature go...?

*switching to Admin...*

Hmm.  Slightly disappointing.  I'll dig around and see if there's anything better.

*tweak tweak*

Yeah, that's not too bad.  Too subtle?


Oh, and it's probably time to start new threads for new news.  This one is all over the map. :)
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: Koveras on April 06, 2007, 07:08:24 PM
Has someone else noticed the homonymity of "Ellis" and "Elies" (like, in the script that no one in Madlax could decipher)? Something's fishy here... ^^
Title: Re: The third series announced!!! "El Cazador"
Post by: MartAnimE on April 06, 2007, 07:58:12 PM
 Yeah, as a matter of fact I have. Though I wonder if it has any relevance... Maybe the Japanese just like the sound of it?! :P