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ELDA TALUTA / A Place Further Than The Universe
« on: October 10, 2021, 12:46:22 AM »
Just started watching this and it’s really good. If you have any issues with suspension of disbelief over four high school girls traveling on an expedition to Antarctica, then just remind yourself that the most dangerous person in the world will always be a Japanese school girl with abandonment issues.  ;D

Noir / Music from the Land of Mireille
« on: August 18, 2021, 10:43:06 PM »
U Nostru Amore

A Canzona di Babone

Una Cansa di Mimoria

Sinfunia Nustrale

Noir / Noir Review on yurireviews
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:53:53 AM »
Don't think this has been posted before. It's a pretty well-written review of Noir.

Discovered while I was trying to hunt down the names of three mafiosi for Marta's caption update.

Noir / Belladona Lilies (Spoilers ahead)
« on: July 17, 2019, 10:58:02 PM »
Someone had mentioned in passing that in Floriography lilies symbolized friendship, and that got me a bit curious about the possible symbolism of the lilies in Noir.

As it happens it is specifically Peruvian lilies that represent friendship. I dug a bit deeper and found the following snipets of information.

— "White lilies symbolize chastity and virtue – and were the symbol of the Virgin Mary’s purity and her role of Queen of the Angels.

— As the flowers most often associated with funerals, lilies symbolize that the soul of the departed has received restored innocence after death.

— Belladona lilies are apparently pink not white, and are referred to as "Naked Ladies" because the leaves die back in the summer leaving only the bare stalk and flower. They are found growing on Corsica. I haven't gone back and looked at the scene, but I think Mireille's had leaves in addition to being white.

If we look at the meanings, the simplest explanation is that they were chosen because the lily is a funerary flower, and Belladonna because it's both a Latin epithet meaning beautiful lady and the name of a poisonous plant. The idea of innocence after death is an interesting meaning, and perhaps it could mean a different thing at the beginning than it does at the end.

At the beginning it's not unreasonable to assume that they might be tied to Mireille's sense of guilt over the death of the person in the graveyard. The innocence symbolized by the flower placed on the grave could represent an innocence unattainable, because the act can never be undone. Absolution is something the dead can never give to the living in life. Perhaps more apropos is that this is an innocence Mireille doesn't expect to gain in death.

Forgiveness and innocence aren't the same thing, but in this case I think they are tied together. Mireille places flowers on a grave to atone for a mistake she wishes she had never made. She wants to be forgiven, and perhaps by herself more than any other. She wants to recover an innocence lost. Echoes of Nazarov here. Kirika has some rough times in store too.

At the end of the show it might represent an innocence restored to the dead assassin. To clarify this a bit, what I mean is Mireille may have been absolving her of the crime of trying to murder her. Not that Mireille wasn't guilty of exactly the same thing of course. ;D Mireille, as one of the living, can give absolution to the deceased for wrongs done specifically to her, but in so doing she is granting the one thing she herself can never obtain from that particular graveyard. Mireille herself indicates she expects a fate no different than that of her fallen foe.

Just to be clear here, at no point am I using absolution in the sense of ecclesiastical declaration of forgiveness of sins. This is just personal absolution, and something assassins probably don't expect from their victims.

Tossing the flowers violently in the air and seeing them scatter is something I don't have a good idea for; other than it might indicate the futility of seeking forgiveness from the dead, or of forgiving the dead, or just seeking the unattainable from those who have left their mortal coil behind.

As far as them being "Naked Ladies," while the image there is certainly a bit interesting I suspect that this isn't what they were going for, and besides there is that shower scene for that. With that said, the idea of the naked ladies in this case could be symbolic; the fabric of the lies they told each other at the start is pulled away, and they are both honest about who they are, and to who they are, at the end.

Of course if you follow that thought to it's conclusion that's some wicked foreshadowing.

As far as chastity and virtue... Mireille? Chastity sure, they are referred to as otome after all, but virtue? Not in the sense associated with lilies.  ;D

Noir / Notre Dame Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 06:16:01 PM »
Posting this here because the towers of the cathedral were the inspiration for St. Galen’s cathedral in Noir. This is pretty horrifying in terms of the loss of history, art, and if I am not mistaken there are a number of important Catholic relics stored here too.

.hack//* / .hack//Roots ~Rewatch~
« on: March 03, 2018, 07:55:28 PM »
Do we want to start picking a date for this?


If you don't own the DVDs, here are a few alternative streaming options:

.hack//Roots Subbed

.hack//Roots Dubbed

Here is an initial plan for the episode schedule:

Rewatch 1: Episodes 01 to 04 (DVD 1)
Rewatch 2: Episodes 05 to 07 (DVD 1)
Rewatch 3: Episodes 08 to 10 (DVD 2)
Rewatch 4: Episodes 11 to 14 (DVD 2)
Rewatch 5: Episodes 15 to 17 (DVD 3)
Rewatch 6: Episodes 18 to 20 (DVD 3)
Rewatch 7: Episodes 21 to 23 (DVD 3 & 4)
Rewatch 8: Episodes 24 to 26 (DVD 4)

This schedule is designed to better conform to Funimation's DVD release.

Avenger / Foreshadowing
« on: February 27, 2018, 11:26:06 PM »
Interesting line in Episode 1 of Avenger. The line Volk speaks "Even against such a storm, a mountain won't budge." seems like a reference to the film Kagemusha. In the original film however the man who uses that metaphor is ultimately defeated by his own pride. The line in question was part of a major series of scenes in the film, so it's perhaps one of the most iconic bits of dialog from that film.

In another interesting parallel both pretended to be something above their true station.

While it can't be said for certain if the parallel is deliberate I am sure most of the folks at Bee Train would have seen that film. It's quite famous.

MADLAX / Madlax: symbolism in film
« on: July 19, 2014, 12:34:08 AM »
I was reading a bit about the name Margaret, and I stumbled across a reference to St. Margaret the patron saint of expecting mothers. Is it possible that Margaret was chosen as her name because in a sense she births Laetitia and Madlax? Although in a way this happens 12 years earlier in the series they aren't granted a true existence by Margaret until the end, so in a sense the series takes them from conception to birth through Margaret.

Noirlax is probably going to call this one of my crackpot theories. ;D

Edit: Thanks to Elenore Baker for pointing out it was 12 years not 10. :)

Bee Train Role Playing Game / Sci-Fi RPG with Bee Train themes
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:55:43 PM »
I was wondering if there would be any interest in a far future sci-fi RPG that draws a lot of its inspiration from Madlax, and to a lesser extent Noir and Cazzy? Game would be open to some Bee Train characters, or original characters per players choice. Bee Train characters would have side stories appropriate to their character woven into the main story which would be a futuristic take on some of the core concepts in Madlax.

I'm asking this ahead because I would need 4+ characters to really make it work, and I don't want to spend a lot of time developing the concept if no one is interested. Actually I may develop it anyways and run it on one of the open RPG forums out there without any specific Bee Train references.

If this did happen it wouldn't be soon. I don't want to add a third game with two already going, and I need 6 months to a year to really develop the idea. Plus I haven't run a game in 20+ years, so I need more practice at role playing in the games here first. I realize some of you have major events like weddings coming up that may make any sort of commitment out into the future impractical, but it never hurts to ask.

Not all Bee Train characters would be playable, but I am considering allowing certain more villainous characters if people have a plausible premise for the character within the game.

I personally tended to borrow concepts from a lot of sources when making games, so while the game is Bee Trainish in concept you would also find references to Tolkein and C.J. Cherryh, as well as other various anime series.

Oh and feel free to ask questions although at this point all I really have is a rough concept.

All Series / TV Tropes
« on: May 30, 2014, 10:13:01 PM »
I was reading something to do with the Dirty Pair, and I found a reference to TV Tropes and Noir along the way. Ended up reading through the list of tropes associated with Noir, and found them overall to be very accurate. I decided to list my favorites here, and instead of posting it the Noir thread I opted to put it here in case anyone wanted to list the tropes that really stand out for them in other Bee Train series.

Almighty Janitor: The most ruthless, efficient killing machine the world will know is...a Japanese schoolgirl with abandonment issues.

Did We Just Have Tea with Cthulhu? Chloe, twice. In Moonlit Tea Party and Assassination Mission. At that point it isn't clear if she's an enemy or not; all Mirielle and Kirika know is that a highly deadly member of the Soldats has dropped by for a cuppa.

Viewers Are Geniuses: Do you enjoy digressions into the history of the Mafia, ethnic minorities in the former USSR, the nature of sin and redemption, how to make wine with medieval technology, all sorts of Author Appeal about the Catholic Church, and more?

My own take on these.

Kirika is sort of like a thermonuclear bomb crossed with a kitten.

Comparing Chloe to 'Tulu' got a good laugh out of me. It actually fits very well too. Lovecraft's concept for his old ones and elder gods was beings that weren't evil per se, but they were beings whose logical processes and values were so alien and inimical to the human species that from our own perspective they can only be called evil. They were also an anachronism, beings whose times had passed by, but who lay sleeping waiting for the moment when "The Stars Were Right" to return from their slumber. I think in a lot of ways this fits Chloe and the Soldats. Chloe isn't necessarily an evil person, but her actions, motivated by a system of logic and values very alien from those of normal society, certainly are.

I think Noir great strength lies in the way that it does treat the viewers as intellectuals as opposed to people who want mindless action without any social or moral context. Granted that might also be the series weakness as well. Of course this is more a Bee Train thing than a Noir thing really. Also in the noir blurb in the 'Viewers are Geniuses' page they refer to Noir's small dedicated fan base.... I think they may mean BTF here. :D

All Series / Tsubasa Rewatch
« on: May 29, 2014, 02:50:20 AM »
My Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles is on it's way and should be here Thursday, so I am ready for the rewatch party.

What dates do we want to do?

ELDA TALUTA / Favorite Anime EDs.
« on: March 01, 2014, 06:31:39 PM »
Since Forlorn Hope added an OP thread it was suggested we need an ED thread as well, so I will go first. The concepts is the same as the OP one. List your favorite ED's and why if you have a why.

Storm from Mai Otome Zwei
Spoiler: Mai Otome Zwei  • show
[yt=425,350] j1Sato8voPg [/yt]

Summer Mirage the Kimagure Orange Road ED
Spoiler: Kimagure Orange Road  • show
[yt=425,350] BGliFqzM_DI [/yt]

Gall Force – Cosmic Child
Spoiler: Gall Force ED3  • show
[yt=425,350] L4cLxnRMI_U [/yt]

One of the most beautiful ED themes in anime.

Gall Force Eternal Story ED
Spoiler: Gall Force ED1 • show
[yt=425,350] 4lSQoNu3GQc [/yt]

Noir – Beautiful emotions.
Spoiler: Gall Force ED1 • show
[yt=425,350] Im_CUwoTDCg [/yt]

Slayers Movie – Midnight Blue
Spoiler: Slayers Perfect • show
[yt=425,350] OHmjNbxlScc[/yt]

Neon Genesis Evangelion – Fly me to the Moon.
Spoiler: Neon Genesis Evangelion • show
[yt=425,350] oQYFezdfmEw[/yt]

Sinatra meets Megumi…. nuff said.

This was the second or third ED from Saber Marionette J Again
Spoiler: Saber Marionette J Again • show
[yt=425,350] qoUAztOmICA[/yt]

This has a very east meets west feel to it.

This is from the final movie to the Kimagure Orange Road Series.
Spoiler: Shin Kimagure Orange Road • show
[yt=425,350] 94wPGIkgLfM[/yt]

Kajiura was involved in the soundtrack for this, but not sure if she was involved with this song.

Itami from Angel Cop
Spoiler: Angel Cop • show
[yt=425,350] ufvxLVp1v2U[/yt]

Houki Boshi from Bleach
Spoiler: Beach • show
[yt=425,350] fdmhNo1-Ka4[/yt]

Never saw the anime, but I did see the song on an Asian music video program.

Mirai no Eve from Avenger
Spoiler: Avenger • show
[yt=425,350] sEthHgciCzY[/yt]

K-On ED tracks.
Spoiler: K-On ED 1 • show
[yt=425,350] lX-yENHkeMo [/yt]

Spoiler: K-On ED 2 • show
[yt=425,350] nfRaOVoJyUk [/yt]

I liked the first two, but not the third one so much. It wasn't bad I just wasn't into it.

Avenger / Avenger Re-watch
« on: November 21, 2013, 09:04:06 PM »
I noticed that we are just past the 10 year mark for avengers release in Japan. From the wiki: The series premiered across Japan between 1 October 2003 and 24 December 2003 on the TV Tokyo network. The US release was Oct 2005. As Alex says our forum our rules, so it's up to us do we want to watch it in 2014 or 2015?

Noir / Noir Fanfic: The Grave
« on: November 17, 2013, 07:09:01 PM »
This is slightly NSFW. It really doesn't contain anything you wouldn't find on a TV sitcom, but interpretations of what is acceptable vary.


Kirika worked silently as she dug the grave never once stopping to look at the large bundle lying so very still at her side. Being an assassin meant having many deadly skills and among those was the backbreaking work of grave digging and concealment. Yuumura Kirika, ever the consummate professional, was unrivaled in her ability to hide bodies in the earth while leaving no trace that would clue any passersby to the horror that lay moldering beneath their feet. Not that there would ever be any random stranger on this deserted island she had come to with Mireille a year ago. They had wanted to build a life for themselves outside the reach of the soldats, and had used their wealth to buy a tropical island with a perfect climate and no blood-sucking insects to make them regret their retreat into total isolation. Only the occasional supply boat that left food and other essentials on their dock, whose sailors came and left under the watchful eye of two sniper rifles, without ever seeing the faces of the two women behind them, connected them to civilization. As Kirika worked she thought about what had brought her relationship with Mireille to this unpleasant juncture.

After their flight from the manor it didn’t matter to Kirika exactly how Mireille felt about her; as long as Mireille accepted her as a part of her life she was happy with things as they were, or at least so she thought. She wasn’t even really sure if her own feelings for Mireille were romantic or platonic. The idea of not being alone was so new to her she had yet to really figure out what exactly she wanted that “not alone” to be. All that changed the day she saw Mireille sunbathing nude on the beach below the little house they lived in. At the very first glance the rush of desire she felt informed her that the feelings of love she felt for Mireille were decidedly not platonic. The greater wonder still was the night she awoke in bed to find Mireille lying on her side next to her staring intently at her face. The next thing Kirika knew she was being kissed, and nothing in her life had ever felt so right as that moment Mireille’s lips met hers.

From that day forward it took all of Kirika’s effort to keep herself from putting her arms around Mireille every time Mireille was anywhere near her. She loved the feel of Mireille’s skin against her own, and hearing the beating of Mireille’s heart when she rested her head against her back, but even when the opportunity arose for them to embrace Kirika all too often felt an all too tangible barrier coming between them. In the several weeks since their first night together as lovers it had begun driving her crazy.

Kirika knew exactly what it was that kept coming between them, and everything she had learned about Mireille in their time together clued her in to the fact that it would be almost impossible for her to overcome this particular problem. As time passed its presence grew more and more unbearable to her. It finally reached a point where Kirika could no longer live with the pain it was causing her, and she was left with the realization that as long as something was separating her from Mireille both physically and emotionally she couldn’t live with Mireille. Kirika was a trained assassin not a psychologist. Her skills only gave her a very one very direct course of action when dealing with problematic situations in her life. When she realized she could no longer go on living like this she acted. She waited till Mireille was in the shower and completely off guard and then she struck without hesitation or remorse. Her victim wasn’t even able to put up a struggle, and before Kirika knew it she was dragging a heavy sack to a very remote part of the little island.  

Kirika tamped the final bits of sandy earth down over the grave, and set about giving it the finishing touches that would perfectly blend it in with its surroundings. Even the most expertly trained assassin would never find this grave and what lay concealed within it. She then began her trek back to the little bungalow and as she rounded the final bend she thought about what she had done and as the guilt struck her she heard a wail of despair as deep as her despair that rainy morning in the Paris cemetery ringing in her ears.

Chapter 2

Mireille Bouquet formerly an extremely dependable assassin for hire stepped out of the shower into the bedroom she shared with Yuumura Kirika also once an assassin for hire and now simply the most important part of Mireille’s life. As she looked around the bedroom for the clothes she had laid out before stepping into the shower she thought briefly about the moment when she had read Kirika’s letter and realized that she could never genuinely do harm to the little Japanese woman. Kirika’s words had driven home to her how lonely and empty her own life had been before Kirika had so suddenly thrust herself into it. Even the one person who might someday have become a lover had quickly wound up buried in a Parisian cemetery before they had even gotten to know each other very well. At the time she thought it was just the simple consequence of one of her hits, but now having met Altena and learning how involved Altena had been with her life even before her parents had died, she realized it was Altena’s own hand reaching out from the manor making sure her chosen “maiden” remained a maiden. Perhaps even more importantly that she remain isolated from any external influences that might deviate her from the path to becoming Altena’s twisted concept of Noir.

Kirika’s words had blown through all her pretenses about revenge and as the tear coursed down her cheek she realized how very lucky she was to have Kirika come into her life, and how much she had come to love the Japanese woman. Only her own arrogance had kept her blind to that. She knew at that moment that she had no choice but to cut a deal with Remy Brefort, so she could go to the manor and save Kirika from her fate as a Noir candidate. Come what may she had to find her way to where Kirika was and put the past between them to rest once and for all, so they could move on to the future. She very much intended Kirika to be a part of that future. At the very least she had preserved her pride by making sure the deal was on her terms not his.

As Mireille mused over her past it dawned on her that the clothing she had left on the bed wasn’t there anymore. She thought to herself “Kirika must have cleaned up and put it away, but she knows I always lay something out to put on after I shower.” She went over to the closet to retrieve her carefully chosen outfit and opened the door only to have the bottom yanked out from under her world.

Chapter 3

Her Prada shoes… her dress by Dolce… the slacks by Donna Karan… even that cute little top that didn’t come from a named designer but which matched the color of her eyes so perfectly she fell in love with it immediately… all gone. She quickly opened Kirika’s closet only to find the same. All the outfits she had helped Kirika pick out while they were hiding out from the Soldats in New York were gone as well. Mireille let out a wail of despair as she realized she had been burgled, and then her mind immediately jumped to “We’re the only two people here…. who did this?” It was then that she heard footsteps in the hallway outside the bedroom and her dive for her gun was only arrested by the realization that the almost silent steps could only be Kirika’s.

Kirika stepped into the room and looked at Mireile standing naked in front of two empty closets and as her eyes met Mireille’s she heard Mireille say, “Kirika our clothes are gone.” Then Mireille’s eyes widened a bit and she said “Kirika why aren’t you wearing anyth…” As comprehension dawned upon Mireille’s beautiful features and she cried out “Oh my god no! Kirika... you didn’t?” Kirika stepped determinedly across the room and put her arms around Mireille. She enjoyed a very contended feeling of bliss as she felt Mireille’s breasts rising and falling against her own as she said to her “It doesn’t matter Mireille we don’t need them anymore. The weather here never gets cold and even when it rains it’s a warm rain.” As she looked up into Mireille’s eyes she said, “Now nothing can ever come between us again.”


This is the only fanfic I have ever written and it's intended as a partly serious partly satirical take on the Noir ending animation. While I do believe that the ending was in reality a metaphorical depiction of Kirika’s development of a sense of self the various articles of her and Mireille’s clothing lying about a tropical bungalow as well as the images of Kirika wandering naked on a beach genuinely at peace for the first time in her life does give rise to a more literal interpretation of the scene.

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