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ELDA TALUTA / Mignogna Appeal Update
« on: August 19, 2022, 10:18:25 AM »
For those who care about the outcome.

Vic Mignogna lost his appeal.

Monica & Ron won their fees and sanction appeal, and the lower court has been ordered to review the case and will potentially increase the award appropriately.

Nick Riketta has been walking back many of his claims about the case, and there is some speculation that he has retained a malpractice attorney.

Long and short of it is Vic is likely out considerably more money today than he was yesterday, but he might have a legitimate malpractice case against Nick & Ty that allows him to recover his losses.

Case docs here for those who want to analyze and live-stream:

ELDA TALUTA / A Place Further Than The Universe
« on: October 10, 2021, 12:46:22 AM »
Just started watching this and it’s really good. If you have any issues with suspension of disbelief over four high school girls traveling on an expedition to Antarctica, then just remind yourself that the most dangerous person in the world will always be a Japanese school girl with abandonment issues.  ;D

Noir / Music from the Land of Mireille
« on: August 18, 2021, 10:43:06 PM »
U Nostru Amore

A Canzona di Babone

Una Cansa di Mimoria

Sinfunia Nustrale

Noir / Noir Review on yurireviews
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:53:53 AM »
Don't think this has been posted before. It's a pretty well-written review of Noir.

Discovered while I was trying to hunt down the names of three mafiosi for Marta's caption update.

Noir / Belladona Lilies (Spoilers ahead)
« on: July 17, 2019, 10:58:02 PM »
Someone had mentioned in passing that in Floriography lilies symbolized friendship, and that got me a bit curious about the possible symbolism of the lilies in Noir.

As it happens it is specifically Peruvian lilies that represent friendship. I dug a bit deeper and found the following snipets of information.

— "White lilies symbolize chastity and virtue – and were the symbol of the Virgin Mary’s purity and her role of Queen of the Angels.

— As the flowers most often associated with funerals, lilies symbolize that the soul of the departed has received restored innocence after death.

— Belladona lilies are apparently pink not white, and are referred to as "Naked Ladies" because the leaves die back in the summer leaving only the bare stalk and flower. They are found growing on Corsica. I haven't gone back and looked at the scene, but I think Mireille's had leaves in addition to being white.

If we look at the meanings, the simplest explanation is that they were chosen because the lily is a funerary flower, and Belladonna because it's both a Latin epithet meaning beautiful lady and the name of a poisonous plant. The idea of innocence after death is an interesting meaning, and perhaps it could mean a different thing at the beginning than it does at the end.

At the beginning it's not unreasonable to assume that they might be tied to Mireille's sense of guilt over the death of the person in the graveyard. The innocence symbolized by the flower placed on the grave could represent an innocence unattainable, because the act can never be undone. Absolution is something the dead can never give to the living in life. Perhaps more apropos is that this is an innocence Mireille doesn't expect to gain in death.

Forgiveness and innocence aren't the same thing, but in this case I think they are tied together. Mireille places flowers on a grave to atone for a mistake she wishes she had never made. She wants to be forgiven, and perhaps by herself more than any other. She wants to recover an innocence lost. Echoes of Nazarov here. Kirika has some rough times in store too.

At the end of the show it might represent an innocence restored to the dead assassin. To clarify this a bit, what I mean is Mireille may have been absolving her of the crime of trying to murder her. Not that Mireille wasn't guilty of exactly the same thing of course. ;D Mireille, as one of the living, can give absolution to the deceased for wrongs done specifically to her, but in so doing she is granting the one thing she herself can never obtain from that particular graveyard. Mireille herself indicates she expects a fate no different than that of her fallen foe.

Just to be clear here, at no point am I using absolution in the sense of ecclesiastical declaration of forgiveness of sins. This is just personal absolution, and something assassins probably don't expect from their victims.

Tossing the flowers violently in the air and seeing them scatter is something I don't have a good idea for; other than it might indicate the futility of seeking forgiveness from the dead, or of forgiving the dead, or just seeking the unattainable from those who have left their mortal coil behind.

As far as them being "Naked Ladies," while the image there is certainly a bit interesting I suspect that this isn't what they were going for, and besides there is that shower scene for that. With that said, the idea of the naked ladies in this case could be symbolic; the fabric of the lies they told each other at the start is pulled away, and they are both honest about who they are, and to who they are, at the end.

Of course if you follow that thought to it's conclusion that's some wicked foreshadowing.

As far as chastity and virtue... Mireille? Chastity sure, they are referred to as otome after all, but virtue? Not in the sense associated with lilies.  ;D

Noir / Notre Dame Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 06:16:01 PM »
Posting this here because the towers of the cathedral were the inspiration for St. Galen’s cathedral in Noir. This is pretty horrifying in terms of the loss of history, art, and if I am not mistaken there are a number of important Catholic relics stored here too.

.hack//* / .hack//Roots ~Rewatch~
« on: March 03, 2018, 07:55:28 PM »
Do we want to start picking a date for this?


If you don't own the DVDs, here are a few alternative streaming options:

.hack//Roots Subbed

.hack//Roots Dubbed

Here is an initial plan for the episode schedule:

Rewatch 1: Episodes 01 to 04 (DVD 1)
Rewatch 2: Episodes 05 to 07 (DVD 1)
Rewatch 3: Episodes 08 to 10 (DVD 2)
Rewatch 4: Episodes 11 to 14 (DVD 2)
Rewatch 5: Episodes 15 to 17 (DVD 3)
Rewatch 6: Episodes 18 to 20 (DVD 3)
Rewatch 7: Episodes 21 to 23 (DVD 3 & 4)
Rewatch 8: Episodes 24 to 26 (DVD 4)

This schedule is designed to better conform to Funimation's DVD release.

Avenger / Foreshadowing
« on: February 27, 2018, 11:26:06 PM »
Interesting line in Episode 1 of Avenger. The line Volk speaks "Even against such a storm, a mountain won't budge." seems like a reference to the film Kagemusha. In the original film however the man who uses that metaphor is ultimately defeated by his own pride. The line in question was part of a major series of scenes in the film, so it's perhaps one of the most iconic bits of dialog from that film.

In another interesting parallel both pretended to be something above their true station.

While it can't be said for certain if the parallel is deliberate I am sure most of the folks at Bee Train would have seen that film. It's quite famous.

MADLAX / Madlax: symbolism in film
« on: July 19, 2014, 12:34:08 AM »
I was reading a bit about the name Margaret, and I stumbled across a reference to St. Margaret the patron saint of expecting mothers. Is it possible that Margaret was chosen as her name because in a sense she births Laetitia and Madlax? Although in a way this happens 12 years earlier in the series they aren't granted a true existence by Margaret until the end, so in a sense the series takes them from conception to birth through Margaret.

Noirlax is probably going to call this one of my crackpot theories. ;D

Edit: Thanks to Elenore Baker for pointing out it was 12 years not 10. :)

Bee Train Role Playing Game / Sci-Fi RPG with Bee Train themes
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:55:43 PM »
I was wondering if there would be any interest in a far future sci-fi RPG that draws a lot of its inspiration from Madlax, and to a lesser extent Noir and Cazzy? Game would be open to some Bee Train characters, or original characters per players choice. Bee Train characters would have side stories appropriate to their character woven into the main story which would be a futuristic take on some of the core concepts in Madlax.

I'm asking this ahead because I would need 4+ characters to really make it work, and I don't want to spend a lot of time developing the concept if no one is interested. Actually I may develop it anyways and run it on one of the open RPG forums out there without any specific Bee Train references.

If this did happen it wouldn't be soon. I don't want to add a third game with two already going, and I need 6 months to a year to really develop the idea. Plus I haven't run a game in 20+ years, so I need more practice at role playing in the games here first. I realize some of you have major events like weddings coming up that may make any sort of commitment out into the future impractical, but it never hurts to ask.

Not all Bee Train characters would be playable, but I am considering allowing certain more villainous characters if people have a plausible premise for the character within the game.

I personally tended to borrow concepts from a lot of sources when making games, so while the game is Bee Trainish in concept you would also find references to Tolkein and C.J. Cherryh, as well as other various anime series.

Oh and feel free to ask questions although at this point all I really have is a rough concept.

All Series / TV Tropes
« on: May 30, 2014, 10:13:01 PM »
I was reading something to do with the Dirty Pair, and I found a reference to TV Tropes and Noir along the way. Ended up reading through the list of tropes associated with Noir, and found them overall to be very accurate. I decided to list my favorites here, and instead of posting it the Noir thread I opted to put it here in case anyone wanted to list the tropes that really stand out for them in other Bee Train series.

Almighty Janitor: The most ruthless, efficient killing machine the world will know is...a Japanese schoolgirl with abandonment issues.

Did We Just Have Tea with Cthulhu? Chloe, twice. In Moonlit Tea Party and Assassination Mission. At that point it isn't clear if she's an enemy or not; all Mirielle and Kirika know is that a highly deadly member of the Soldats has dropped by for a cuppa.

Viewers Are Geniuses: Do you enjoy digressions into the history of the Mafia, ethnic minorities in the former USSR, the nature of sin and redemption, how to make wine with medieval technology, all sorts of Author Appeal about the Catholic Church, and more?

My own take on these.

Kirika is sort of like a thermonuclear bomb crossed with a kitten.

Comparing Chloe to 'Tulu' got a good laugh out of me. It actually fits very well too. Lovecraft's concept for his old ones and elder gods was beings that weren't evil per se, but they were beings whose logical processes and values were so alien and inimical to the human species that from our own perspective they can only be called evil. They were also an anachronism, beings whose times had passed by, but who lay sleeping waiting for the moment when "The Stars Were Right" to return from their slumber. I think in a lot of ways this fits Chloe and the Soldats. Chloe isn't necessarily an evil person, but her actions, motivated by a system of logic and values very alien from those of normal society, certainly are.

I think Noir great strength lies in the way that it does treat the viewers as intellectuals as opposed to people who want mindless action without any social or moral context. Granted that might also be the series weakness as well. Of course this is more a Bee Train thing than a Noir thing really. Also in the noir blurb in the 'Viewers are Geniuses' page they refer to Noir's small dedicated fan base.... I think they may mean BTF here. :D

All Series / Tsubasa Rewatch
« on: May 29, 2014, 02:50:20 AM »
My Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles is on it's way and should be here Thursday, so I am ready for the rewatch party.

What dates do we want to do?

ELDA TALUTA / Favorite Anime EDs.
« on: March 01, 2014, 06:31:39 PM »
Since Forlorn Hope added an OP thread it was suggested we need an ED thread as well, so I will go first. The concepts is the same as the OP one. List your favorite ED's and why if you have a why.

Storm from Mai Otome Zwei
Spoiler: Mai Otome Zwei  • show
[yt=425,350] j1Sato8voPg [/yt]

Summer Mirage the Kimagure Orange Road ED
Spoiler: Kimagure Orange Road  • show
[yt=425,350] BGliFqzM_DI [/yt]

Gall Force – Cosmic Child
Spoiler: Gall Force ED3  • show
[yt=425,350] L4cLxnRMI_U [/yt]

One of the most beautiful ED themes in anime.

Gall Force Eternal Story ED
Spoiler: Gall Force ED1 • show
[yt=425,350] 4lSQoNu3GQc [/yt]

Noir – Beautiful emotions.
Spoiler: Gall Force ED1 • show
[yt=425,350] Im_CUwoTDCg [/yt]

Slayers Movie – Midnight Blue
Spoiler: Slayers Perfect • show
[yt=425,350] OHmjNbxlScc[/yt]

Neon Genesis Evangelion – Fly me to the Moon.
Spoiler: Neon Genesis Evangelion • show
[yt=425,350] oQYFezdfmEw[/yt]

Sinatra meets Megumi…. nuff said.

This was the second or third ED from Saber Marionette J Again
Spoiler: Saber Marionette J Again • show
[yt=425,350] qoUAztOmICA[/yt]

This has a very east meets west feel to it.

This is from the final movie to the Kimagure Orange Road Series.
Spoiler: Shin Kimagure Orange Road • show
[yt=425,350] 94wPGIkgLfM[/yt]

Kajiura was involved in the soundtrack for this, but not sure if she was involved with this song.

Itami from Angel Cop
Spoiler: Angel Cop • show
[yt=425,350] ufvxLVp1v2U[/yt]

Houki Boshi from Bleach
Spoiler: Beach • show
[yt=425,350] fdmhNo1-Ka4[/yt]

Never saw the anime, but I did see the song on an Asian music video program.

Mirai no Eve from Avenger
Spoiler: Avenger • show
[yt=425,350] sEthHgciCzY[/yt]

K-On ED tracks.
Spoiler: K-On ED 1 • show
[yt=425,350] lX-yENHkeMo [/yt]

Spoiler: K-On ED 2 • show
[yt=425,350] nfRaOVoJyUk [/yt]

I liked the first two, but not the third one so much. It wasn't bad I just wasn't into it.

Avenger / Avenger Re-watch
« on: November 21, 2013, 09:04:06 PM »
I noticed that we are just past the 10 year mark for avengers release in Japan. From the wiki: The series premiered across Japan between 1 October 2003 and 24 December 2003 on the TV Tokyo network. The US release was Oct 2005. As Alex says our forum our rules, so it's up to us do we want to watch it in 2014 or 2015?

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