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Title: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 23, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Picking through this morning's news and rumours, I saw this on AnimeSuki (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1479373&postcount=2240):
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The latest issue of the seinen manga magazine Afternoon announces the anime adaptation of Blade of the Immortal manga. (an anime adaptation was mentioned in this post)

Staff:

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Director: Mashimo Kouichi
Series Composition: Kawasaki Hiroyuki
Character Design: Yamashita Yoshimitsu
Weapon Design: Koezuka Seiji
Color Design: Kojima Makiko
Art Director: Umino Yoshimi
Photography Director: Igarashi Shinichi
Music: Ootani Kou
Music Production: Pony Canyon
Music Director: Nakano Toru
Production: BeeTrain

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Cast:

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Manji: Seki Tomokazu
Asanorin: Satou Rina
Anotsu Kagehisa: Nojima Hirofumi
Magatsu Taito: Nakai Kazuya
Kuroi Sabato: Ebara Masashi
Shizuma Eikuu: Konishi Katsuyuki
Kawakami Araya: Namikawa Daisuke
Otonotachibana Makie: Noto Mamiko
Hyakurin: Toyoguchi Megumi
Giichi: Morikawa Toshiyuki
Shira: Miki Shinichirou
Machi: Sakamoto Maya

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Source:
http://www.earlbox3.sakura.ne.jp/ph/080322b.jpg
http://www.earlbox3.sakura.ne.jp/ph/080322c.jpg

Wiki entry for the manga:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_of_the_Immortal


Well, that's a surprise!  The announcement that there'd be an anime for it was made late last year, and there's already an AnimeSuki thread full of speculation (and, predictably, all the Bee Train haterz are complaining):
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=60059&page=3

ANN has more (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-23/blade-of-the-immortal-tv-anime-confirmed-for-summer) (sorta... and lots of haterz in their comments as well :P )

From a quick read, it sounds like a very violent and depressing manga series with an army of very rabid fanboys who will endlessly complain about any deviation from it.

And no Yuki Kajiura. :(

From the look of the staff, Murder Princess was a warmup for this.

So, farewell Mirai Nikki, hello Blade of the Immortal, I guess...


Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Koveras on March 23, 2008, 02:42:57 PM
Well, I dunno what I liked less: Mirai Nikki or this one. Shounen battle royale vs. samurai feudal Japan? The only theme I dislike more is shoujo school life drama... But let's wait for what Mashimo is gonna make of it.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 23, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
 I'm surprised at the title's popularity! After Bee Train "ruined" tsubasa chronicle for Clamp fans someone dared choose it for another popular manga anime adaptation... Let's see how this goes now, but really great news there's a new Bee Train series coming up soon  after all! :) It's a pity there's no Yuki Kajiura for the music though. :(
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Limelda Jorg on March 23, 2008, 04:32:10 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I just entered in ANN to check something and I found out this!!!! Jeez I'm sooooo happy, I love this manga and better they don't screw up as they did with Tsubasa!!! But Tomokazu Seki will be Manji *____*. And Maaya Sakamoto is among the seiyuus too!!!!!! OMG, so exiting!!!

*fan girl mode on*
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Teufel on March 24, 2008, 12:41:15 AM
Well, hells yeah for a Bee Train series to look forward to this summer. We better get more than one series this year though. *shakes fist threateningly*

I'm kind of mixed on this one. A swordsman who incurs the wrath of a greater being and is cursed with immortality was actually a story idea I was mulling over a couple months ago so I'm interested in seeing it play out 'cause I never got it to go anywhere. But even with that and the undeniable coolness factor of samurai and katanas I find the idea of the plot of the main character having to kill a thousand guys meandering and a little boring. Or rather potentially so, no reason it can't be good, but eh, not something that shouts "greatness!" at me. ;) Neither did Mirai Nikki, but that had a potentially fun, insane vibe going for it and I was warming up to the idea of Bee Train tackling it... 

So, yes, my interest in this project is mostly just because I worship at the altar of Koichi Mashimo and Bee Train. If they weren't involved I'm not sure I'd even check this out. ;D Although Rina Satou was wonderful in Bamboo Blade and Night Wizard so it's also got that going for it.

Boy, those posters on AnimeSuki and ANN sure do hate Bee Train. Gotta wonder if Koichi Mashimo ran over their dogs on his drive over to steal their tooth fairy money when they were kids.

And finally, this begs the question of if Ms. Kajiura isn't going to be composing for this project, what's she doing to occupy her time? I need my Kajiura fix as much as I need my Bee Train fix after alll.  ;D
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Limelda Jorg on March 24, 2008, 12:23:43 PM
Well I think that is a fair play, posters in ANN and animesuki hate Mashimo and Beetrain and here Mashimo and Beetrain worshippers hate Samurai and Feudal Japan stories XD.

I'm in the middle of the battleground XD. Because I don't hate Mashimo or Beetrain but I don't worship them either. I just happened that I like two series they made and nothing more.
I'm just a great fan of Blade of the Inmortal that IMHO is a masterpiece in story and art. And maybe those posters in those forums are very harsh, but I think that is normal they are afraid of this project, because Blade of Inmortal always was seen as something very difficult to be adapted into anime because its artwork and narrative style. And yes, it seemed a series more for MadHouse or Bones, which animation quality work is far better. But I'll be waiting till July to see what happens and crossing my fingers to not find out another Tsubasa.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 24, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
Well I think that is a fair play, posters in ANN and animesuki hate Mashimo and Beetrain and here Mashimo and Beetrain worshippers hate Samurai and Feudal Japan stories XD.

 Hey, not necessarilly... I actually think Samurai and Feudal Japan stories have some cool potential! Definitely don't hate them! :P And I definitely don't think Bee Train ruined Tsubasa Chronicles, but then again, I never read the manga...
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Koveras on March 24, 2008, 02:13:20 PM
But even with that and the undeniable coolness factor of samurai and katanas I find the idea of the plot of the main character having to kill a thousand guys meandering and a little boring. Or rather potentially so, no reason it can't be good, but eh, not something that shouts "greatness!" at me. ;) Neither did Mirai Nikki,


That's exactly how I felt, too, though by now, I've become non-responsible for the alleged coolness of katanas... TV Tropes ruined my life, indeed. :(

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Although Rina Satou was wonderful in Bamboo Blade and Night Wizard so it's also got that going for it

My only exposure to her voice was Haruka-neesama in Minami-ke who is amazing of her own right. %)

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Boy, those posters on AnimeSuki and ANN sure do hate Bee Train. Gotta wonder if Koichi Mashimo ran over their dogs on his drive over to steal their tooth fairy money when they were kids.

Meh, I stopped reading comments on Bee Train's work anywhere except this site a long time ago. Keeps my adrenaline level in check. I just hope those fanboys don't relocate their activity to here without considerably tuning down their I-hate-Bee-Train message in advance.

here Mashimo and Beetrain worshippers hate Samurai and Feudal Japan stories XD.

Hey, I'm not actively hating them, just consider them so used up, it's difficult to come up with something interesting nowadays. :P
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: MartAnimE on March 24, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
 Someone at animesuki posted the official japanese site (http://mugen.kc.kodansha.co.jp/) aswell as this scan (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1206369131256wv1jj9.jpg).

 Geez, reading through that thread is really unsettling for any Bee Train Fan... ^^;
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: GhostFriendly on March 24, 2008, 06:35:16 PM
Yes, yes, yippee, yeah!

Just hope they don't screw it up...but as you all might have noticed, I'm an accomodating fellow. Hope they stick to the manga as far as it's useful, as in FMA.

Teufel, the thousand man plot is really a non-issue, mainly it's a revenge theme, much more tightly plotted than most period pieces.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: hayama on March 24, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
I know little about this actual series, but Kou Ootani is actually up there on my list of favorite anime composers so that's already gotten my attention. His soundtrack to the video game Shadow of the Colossus was, simply put, stunning. Here's (http://www.sendspace.com/file/idjf19) the prologue to the game. Honestly, despite my love for Kajiura-sama, I think that Ootani would handle this kind of soundtrack better than she. I'm not sure if this is the direction I want Bee Train to head in post-girls with guns, but it'll at least be an interesting departure from their typical work (hopefully it won't face the same wrath from the common fan as Tsubasa did).
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Limelda Jorg on March 24, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
Hey, I'm not actively hating them, just consider them so used up, it's difficult to come up with something interesting nowadays. :P

I don't think that is a so used genre, mechas and other genres are more cliche than Samurai. And after all is about Japan's history and folcklore, is normal to find animes and mangas with these topics and if you found out that their history and legends are cliche, well I think that western culture is more cliche and boring than anything XD.

And about Tsubasa, well as a standard anime could be fine but as an adaptation of Clamp's manga is awful.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Matrim on March 24, 2008, 10:32:30 PM
Yay, Bee Train working on a high profile project! Big chance for Bee Train to become even more notorious and for us, the fans, to feel even more like elitists. :)

No, Yuki Kajiura but the composer of Ayakashi Ayashi and Haibane Renmei's music is not a bad alternative at all, I guess. That said I would have loved to witness a collaboration of Mashimo and Toshihiko Sahashi.

Don't you love the anime studios haters? I mean, two series by the same studio often have nothnig whatsoever in common (even in terms of people involved), yet there are always some smartasses who lump everything produced by a studio in one category due to having watched and disliked one or two of their works. ;D

Tomokazu Seki is one of the very best seiyuu, we also have Friday Monday's seiyuu, Toyoguchi Megumi (Layla Ashley), Mamiko Noto, etc. Nice!

I guess I might as well read the manga since all the fanboys in the AnimeSuki thread will spoil me anyway. The funniest scenario would be if I find the anime much better than the manga, that sure will make all the Bee Train haters on AS jump on me...
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Koveras on March 25, 2008, 05:44:20 AM
I don't think that is a so used genre, mechas and other genres are more cliche than Samurai. And after all is about Japan's history and folcklore, is normal to find animes and mangas with these topics and if you found out that their history and legends are cliche, well I think that western culture is more cliche and boring than anything XD.

Mechas are no fun to me, either. I tolerate them, however, if there are other, truly fun points in the story. :) While not necessarily cliched, I believe samurai shows are over-hyped by now. I understand that Japanese folklore is bound to be reflected in Japanese animation but I'm not watching anime for insight into Japanese culture (that's why I never attempted to learn Japanese, btw) but because its quality is generally higher and accessibility is generally greater than most other shows I hear about. :)

PS: Yay, 2222th post!
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: kavi on March 25, 2008, 03:31:13 PM
Hmm...I must say, this is probably the only "samurai" manga I've ever actually liked...every Mashimo anime I've seen had a boring, run of the mill sales pitch and was absolutely fantastic :)
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Teufel on March 27, 2008, 10:58:23 PM
And about Tsubasa, well as a standard anime could be fine but as an adaptation of Clamp's manga is awful.

What's wrong with it as an adaptation? I've never seen anyone with that complaint go into detail. I've heard on average pretty good things from people on and offline who aren't familiar with the source material it's based on so I'm interested in hearing another perspective.

Also, on closer inspection that's a great cast, lots of quality people and BT veterans. Friday Monday and Carrossea reunite!
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Koveras on March 28, 2008, 09:47:17 AM
What's wrong with it as an adaptation? I've never seen anyone with that complaint go into detail.

Duh, man, this Mashimo guy totally ruined it because... because... because CLAMP are just better, anyway.

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Friday Monday and Carrossea reunite!

I'd much prefer to see Kuroda in the staff, too. %)
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 28, 2008, 12:41:09 PM
A few more random tidbits, thanks to Makoto...

Scans from the magazine article:

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMV11jztI/AAAAAAAAAB8/B48MuggIfHk/s320/mugen1.jpg) (http://bp0.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMV11jztI/AAAAAAAAAB8/B48MuggIfHk/s1600-h/mugen1.jpg)


(http://bp1.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMWF1jzuI/AAAAAAAAACE/2A0oW8sjUDA/s320/mugen2.jpg) (http://bp1.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMWF1jzuI/AAAAAAAAACE/2A0oW8sjUDA/s1600-h/mugen2.jpg)


(http://bp2.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMWV1jzvI/AAAAAAAAACM/PkdDYEKaUcY/s320/mugen3.jpg) (http://bp2.blogger.com/_T2LjkYcyt4U/R-xMWV1jzvI/AAAAAAAAACM/PkdDYEKaUcY/s1600-h/mugen3.jpg)

He extracts what I believe is a quote from Mashimo; here's what Google says that he says:
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"This powerful visual image of how the visualization? Endless, glamorous, Welcome to the cruel world"
Okay then.


On the Bee Train site, there will be a "production diary":
http://www.beetrain.co.jp/contents/community/diary/immortal/

Google sez:
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BIITOREIN Corporation engineers and systems manager, the website's editor, and I am黒澤.
Finally this summer from the animated TV inhabitants, started infinite.

There is still some time to broadcast the productions in the field looking to the extent we can report it wished.

Our next from "infinite inhabitants" production crew assistant director, in charge of writing is ribbed Hisashi Shimizu.

Between broadcasting, and broadcasting to fit you to enjoy as well.

Now let both broadcast and宜しくpatience.
...ah, machine translation.   ???

There's also an event, a "pep rally", on April 27th in (I think) Tokyo:
http://www.beetrain.co.jp/contents/works2/immortal/event/

Google sez:
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"Infinite inhabitants" to commemorate the anime, April 27, 2008 at the Shinjuku ROFUTOPURASUWAN anime Talk commemorative event, the title Asano Dojo Kabukicho reconstruction meeting, pep rally will be held. Main Points of Interest and enthusiasm for the work staff.  Please, please visitors.

 ■ The Reconstruction Committee Asano Dojo Kabukicho pep rally, the event summary

Date: April 27, 2008 (Sunday) 18:00 Open / 19:00 curtain
Place: Shinjuku ROFUTOPURASUWAN http://www.loft-prj.co.jp/PLUSONE/
林ビルB2 Kabukicho in Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo, 1-14-7 Bill forest B2
演out: Hiroaki Samura (original), Koichi Mashimo (coach), Hiroyuki Kawasaki
(screenplay), other guest (s)

Tickets: 1,500 yen (dining and wining)
April 5, 2008 release from Lawson Ticket at the start. (Scheduled to end soon as the number reached)

So it looks like Hiroaki Samura will be at the "pep rally", which means he is approving of what Bee Train is doing, which will deflate the fanboyz to no end, I'm sure.   :D

Wish I could go...  Not that I'd be able to understand a word of it.

Quote from: Carrie Asagiri
and here Mashimo and Beetrain worshippers hate Samurai and Feudal Japan stories XD.

For the record, I like samurai/feudal/historical drama quite a bit!  I just have a hard time thinking of many anime versions that I've watched.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on March 29, 2008, 05:07:27 PM
By way of the AnimeSuki thread, there was a trailer showing at the Tokyo Animation Fair.  It's in crappy phonecam quality, but worth a look:

[yt=425,350]siYv1jIJMVM[/yt]

It looks to be quite a departure from the Bee Train I'm used to, but still retaining qualities I like...  Anyway, it seems to have pacified a few of the haterz...  :)

Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Koveras on March 29, 2008, 06:25:54 PM
The true haterz will hate Bee Train no matter what. The qualities of Bee Train's production doesn't matter anymore, it's the ideal that the ignorant masses actively hate. :)

If they brought out the trailer so early, I wonder how many episodes the series will span...
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: GhostFriendly on March 30, 2008, 07:05:24 PM
ThereĀ“s a thought...if Hyakurin, the blonde girl in the character designs, is involved, it would indicate 26+ episodes of manga material to get to her.

Trailer looks amazing, thank you fellini.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: AlexShadow on June 12, 2008, 11:44:47 PM
Blade is not the type of Anime I would rush to see.  It's visually quite dark and rather gritty.  Those are real turn offs for me personally, after having one to many bad experiences with visually dreary anime.   Boogiepop, Red Garden, and others among them.  Will I see Blade?  yeah probably but won't rush to it.

And on the matter of the Tsubasa whiners, I'm proud to say as one who has read the manga and enjoyed it, that I'm not one of them.

It's a theory of mine if people have already made up their mind that this will be bad, yeah no matter how good it can be most will see it as bad.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Ombrenuit on June 15, 2008, 10:38:34 AM
It actually looks really interesting to me. It's going to be strange to see Bee Train do such a violent anime. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Teufel on June 15, 2008, 04:04:57 PM
Fellini posted a higher quality video in this thread (http://www.beetrainfan.org/forum/index.php?topic=632.0) a little while ago. For the most part I like the look of it, although a couple of the characters have some dangerously spiky hair. :-\ I really dug the main character taking a headshot and his body rejecting a blade stabbed into him, though. Now I'm looking forward to his for reasons other than just being Bee Train.

I hope the music in the trailer isn't a sign of things to come.  :-X
Title: Re: The *Real* new series: "Blade of the Immortal"
Post by: Ombrenuit on June 15, 2008, 09:03:23 PM
Yeah its a real shame Kajiura isn't doing this one. It's so different from anime's she's been working on, I would have been really interested to hear what she would have done with the soundtrack.

The trailer's music was pretty generic  :-[
Title: "Blade of the Immortal" episode pics
Post by: Fellini 8.5 on June 25, 2008, 07:58:39 PM
The official site now has pics up for the first two episodes.  A scant few, tiny pics:
http://mugen.kc.kodansha.co.jp/bangumi.html

On the "stuff" page, there's a katana of some sort?
http://mugen.kc.kodansha.co.jp/shohin.html
...Maybe something that comes with the first DVD?

There's a comment from Mashimo, and an amusing little charecature as well -- no idea what it says, though:
http://mugen.kc.kodansha.co.jp/comment01.html