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MADLAX / Re: Carrossea Doon pick up lines
« Last post by noirlax on July 01, 2025, 10:39:32 AM »Can't believe this is my first Doon line of the year!
Let's get married and have a HoneyDoon!
Let's get married and have a HoneyDoon!
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Announcements & Introductions / Re: Too Much Bee Train Fan
« Last post by noirlax on June 29, 2025, 05:24:48 AM »When you have a dream of Bee Train Fan members in an online game where our characters are swimming in a lava pit and your character encircles them and you say "I'm a shark"
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Noir / Re: Introspection - Episodes 17-19 with a little bit of 25-26 (Spoilers)
« Last post by noirlax on February 01, 2025, 10:15:02 AM »I'm glad someone has put up a new thread on Noir, so no need to apologize. I feel I need to organize my thoughts better since a lot has gone on in this thread already but I'm rusty on thoughtful long posts.
Music/Scenes:
Firstly on character themes, I feel you can categorize character themes the way you put in your document but for me personally the only one that I feel is 100% character theme is Chloe.
There are a few that are close like Lullaby for Altena and Himitsu/Secret Game for Chloe as well. Canta Per Me is geared towards Kirika but I feel that is a more general song of intense emotion and/or tragedy. Corsican Corridor suits Mireille but for me I feel that only represents part of her, like her past and when she opens up. I agree Salva Nos isn't anyone's song, more Noir's 'combat' track while the piano version of Melodie (such a beautiful track I wish it was on the OST) and anything with Melodie leans strongly towards Mireille. Romance leans towards Mireille too in my opinion.
On scenes, I think Noir is great with shot compositions (and transitions) and matching animation with music/sound and I've learned a lot from that myself and probably reflected in my own work.
Relationships
"As much as I fear rejection, I have been the one to dish it out the most. " - That feels very Mireille.
Mireille and Kirika are in essence wounded people for me with a cold exterior but longing for real connection, self-acceptance, trust and love. In the world of assassins and possible betrayal, those are difficult things to obtain. When you add the inner doubt that anyone you love can survive with you and the hatred and resentment of the world has dished out on you (as well as the sins you have committed), that makes it even more difficult. This resilience through the Mireille/Kirika relationship, these 'inner trials' are loved by many fans. This relationship started by more utilitarian concerns (as kavi said), then strained by Mireille's cold bloodedness and 'rejective' personality and also in part by Kirika's fatalism forged a beautiful relationship. Indeed these trials and connections make many of us feel "The True Noir" is what happens in their hearts than what happens on the 'battlefield' against Soldats and assassins even though they are intertwined with a black thread (just me trying to poetic again lol).
Music/Scenes:
Firstly on character themes, I feel you can categorize character themes the way you put in your document but for me personally the only one that I feel is 100% character theme is Chloe.
There are a few that are close like Lullaby for Altena and Himitsu/Secret Game for Chloe as well. Canta Per Me is geared towards Kirika but I feel that is a more general song of intense emotion and/or tragedy. Corsican Corridor suits Mireille but for me I feel that only represents part of her, like her past and when she opens up. I agree Salva Nos isn't anyone's song, more Noir's 'combat' track while the piano version of Melodie (such a beautiful track I wish it was on the OST) and anything with Melodie leans strongly towards Mireille. Romance leans towards Mireille too in my opinion.
On scenes, I think Noir is great with shot compositions (and transitions) and matching animation with music/sound and I've learned a lot from that myself and probably reflected in my own work.
Relationships
"As much as I fear rejection, I have been the one to dish it out the most. " - That feels very Mireille.
Mireille and Kirika are in essence wounded people for me with a cold exterior but longing for real connection, self-acceptance, trust and love. In the world of assassins and possible betrayal, those are difficult things to obtain. When you add the inner doubt that anyone you love can survive with you and the hatred and resentment of the world has dished out on you (as well as the sins you have committed), that makes it even more difficult. This resilience through the Mireille/Kirika relationship, these 'inner trials' are loved by many fans. This relationship started by more utilitarian concerns (as kavi said), then strained by Mireille's cold bloodedness and 'rejective' personality and also in part by Kirika's fatalism forged a beautiful relationship. Indeed these trials and connections make many of us feel "The True Noir" is what happens in their hearts than what happens on the 'battlefield' against Soldats and assassins even though they are intertwined with a black thread (just me trying to poetic again lol).
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Noir / Re: Introspection - Episodes 17-19 with a little bit of 25-26 (Spoilers)
« Last post by AndreWeeb on January 31, 2025, 10:59:24 AM »Apologies once again, 'twas a hectic week. It has been on the back of my mind how Mireille kinda acted like how I imagined I would have acted back then when I had crazy defense mechanism so maybe I should contemplate it when I get a breather. I suppose the reason Mireille keeps calling Kirika's work vulgar is just to distance herself from her? It always bothered me when she said as I do not fucking know what she's on about. If it's this then it'd make a bit more sense to me.
Apologies if this is underwhelming considering how long I took, though I do now know why that nick name at least lol, thank you once again!
Apologies if this is underwhelming considering how long I took, though I do now know why that nick name at least lol, thank you once again!
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Noir / Re: Noir Fanart
« Last post by noirlax on January 30, 2025, 08:28:59 PM »I found these on the Chinese internet
Kirika with Chisato from Lycoris Recoil
Mireille and Kirika
Mireille and Kirika 2
Kirika with Chisato from Lycoris Recoil
Mireille and Kirika
Mireille and Kirika 2
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MADLAX / Re: Carrossea Doon pick up lines
« Last post by kavi on January 16, 2025, 03:06:56 PM »I'll animate your love life with DOON BOOM!
It's getting harder to pun with Doon, it's like punned everything in existence
You'll be finished when you're doon
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Noir / Re: Introspection - Episodes 17-19 with a little bit of 25-26 (Spoilers)
« Last post by kavi on January 16, 2025, 02:45:07 PM »No need to apologize, I typically only check the forums like once a month so I may be late in replying as well. Pulsen has nicknamed me "Nakhl" for my random and late appearances XD
Whether the early relationship "progresses" or "ends" may be a matter of semantics / perspective. I just meant that it's a very different relationship, or at least a very different kind of relationship, that we find M&K in at Episode 26 vs Episode 13. "Darkness within Me" is, imho, the pivot here, where M&K start driving one another apart, seemingly inexorably until about ep. 23.
I think some of the bonding is genuine, but Mireille is a fundamentally insecure person with psychopathic tendencies, and Kirika has no idea who she is, so its depth is limited by the former's lack of willingness to connect and the latter's (understandable) lack of self-awareness.
There's an interesting point in one of the earlier episodes where they've been through an intense sidequest and Mireille, towards or at the very end of the episode, says "I'm going to kill you later, don't forget that", almost out of nowhere. Kirika doesn't seem to bothered about this but it feels like an interesting defensive reflex on Mireille's part, almost as if saying to herself "this isn't going to last, I can't get too attached".
Whether the early relationship "progresses" or "ends" may be a matter of semantics / perspective. I just meant that it's a very different relationship, or at least a very different kind of relationship, that we find M&K in at Episode 26 vs Episode 13. "Darkness within Me" is, imho, the pivot here, where M&K start driving one another apart, seemingly inexorably until about ep. 23.
I think some of the bonding is genuine, but Mireille is a fundamentally insecure person with psychopathic tendencies, and Kirika has no idea who she is, so its depth is limited by the former's lack of willingness to connect and the latter's (understandable) lack of self-awareness.
There's an interesting point in one of the earlier episodes where they've been through an intense sidequest and Mireille, towards or at the very end of the episode, says "I'm going to kill you later, don't forget that", almost out of nowhere. Kirika doesn't seem to bothered about this but it feels like an interesting defensive reflex on Mireille's part, almost as if saying to herself "this isn't going to last, I can't get too attached".
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Noir / Re: Introspection - Episodes 17-19 with a little bit of 25-26 (Spoilers)
« Last post by AndreWeeb on January 15, 2025, 12:33:11 PM »Hi!! Apologies for the late reply and thank you for taking the time to read and respond! I'm grateful for it!
I mostly gleamed what I mentioned from whatever strong emotions I felt when watching then put the pieces together. I didn't really factor in how their relationship was utilitarian (mostly because I kinda forgot about it when I got to this point). It's a bit embarassing to miss that but it does make me wonder how many of the bonding moments that I remember them having were "genuine" (in the sense of purely just caring about each other) or more so influenced by the need to dig into their past, when it comes to Mireille at least because I still don't think I fully understand her.
I've been thinking about this for a while and it's enlightening seeing it worded like this as I haven't really thought about relationships "ending" for another to begin. I mostly thought about relationships progressing through stages instead of "ending", I haven't really fully gotten this either so I apologize on how confusing to read this might be, but I'll be thinking about this for a bit more.
Once again apologies for the late reply and thank you so much for your response!!
I mostly gleamed what I mentioned from whatever strong emotions I felt when watching then put the pieces together. I didn't really factor in how their relationship was utilitarian (mostly because I kinda forgot about it when I got to this point). It's a bit embarassing to miss that but it does make me wonder how many of the bonding moments that I remember them having were "genuine" (in the sense of purely just caring about each other) or more so influenced by the need to dig into their past, when it comes to Mireille at least because I still don't think I fully understand her.
I would posit, therefore, that Mireille and Kirika's mutual rejection is primarily contingent on the fact that their previous relationship, (which we've expected, to this point, to end with Mireille killing Kirika as she promised back in Episode 1), is fundamentally over and has to end for them to build a new relationship based on truth and mutual trust.
I've been thinking about this for a while and it's enlightening seeing it worded like this as I haven't really thought about relationships "ending" for another to begin. I mostly thought about relationships progressing through stages instead of "ending", I haven't really fully gotten this either so I apologize on how confusing to read this might be, but I'll be thinking about this for a bit more.
Once again apologies for the late reply and thank you so much for your response!!
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Noir / Re: Introspection - Episodes 17-19 with a little bit of 25-26 (Spoilers)
« Last post by kavi on January 10, 2025, 04:16:27 PM »This is really interesting analysis, thanks for posting. You highlighted a few things I hadn't noticed before!
I haven't rewatched Noir in a while, but I think 17-18 is about the point in the series where Mireille's relationship with Kirika goes through a major transformation from being quite utilitarian (Mireille wants Kirika to get to the truth about her parents' death, Kirika wants Mireille to get to the truth about who she is) to being something very different. The relationship to this point was never, I think, very strong -- generally mediated through their work ("Daily Bread") punctuated by occasional breadcrumbs into the past with largely impersonal information.
There are "bonding" moments that happen occasionally, such as where Mireille saves Kirika's life, but in the end, it's good to know that those are fragile -- in the narrative arc of the series, we understand by the end that Kirika and Mireille are not (fundamentally) two cool assassins having a good time a la Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but rather, childhood enemies that, through managing their mutual (and ultimately shared) trauma, eventually become lovers/friends.
I would posit, therefore, that Mireille and Kirika's mutual rejection is primarily contingent on the fact that their previous relationship, (which we've expected, to this point, to end with Mireille killing Kirika as she promised back in Episode 1), is fundamentally over and has to end for them to build a new relationship based on truth and mutual trust. This is quite difficult for both of them, and functionally impossible for much of the series; for Mireille because she's allergic to relationships after several years as a secretive operative acting alone and had everyone close to her die; for Kirika because she literally doesn't know who she is (probably due to repression).
I haven't rewatched Noir in a while, but I think 17-18 is about the point in the series where Mireille's relationship with Kirika goes through a major transformation from being quite utilitarian (Mireille wants Kirika to get to the truth about her parents' death, Kirika wants Mireille to get to the truth about who she is) to being something very different. The relationship to this point was never, I think, very strong -- generally mediated through their work ("Daily Bread") punctuated by occasional breadcrumbs into the past with largely impersonal information.
There are "bonding" moments that happen occasionally, such as where Mireille saves Kirika's life, but in the end, it's good to know that those are fragile -- in the narrative arc of the series, we understand by the end that Kirika and Mireille are not (fundamentally) two cool assassins having a good time a la Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but rather, childhood enemies that, through managing their mutual (and ultimately shared) trauma, eventually become lovers/friends.
I would posit, therefore, that Mireille and Kirika's mutual rejection is primarily contingent on the fact that their previous relationship, (which we've expected, to this point, to end with Mireille killing Kirika as she promised back in Episode 1), is fundamentally over and has to end for them to build a new relationship based on truth and mutual trust. This is quite difficult for both of them, and functionally impossible for much of the series; for Mireille because she's allergic to relationships after several years as a secretive operative acting alone and had everyone close to her die; for Kirika because she literally doesn't know who she is (probably due to repression).