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« on: July 20, 2010, 06:27:53 PM »

There is a few plot holes in the series i don't understand yet.  Like Nadie's and Ellis's past, they are together as children and although Ellis suffers from amnesia, Nadie should remember it.  Maybe it's just some spiritual thing...

And then there's Lirio, she had quite an important role in the second to last episode (finally speaking for once).  So her past is important too

Perhaps it is mentioned in the manga or somewhere, do you guys know?
Oh, and sorry for the little spoiler on Lirio.  I just assume that anyone that goes to these forums now has already watched the series.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 06:39:50 PM »


Honestly I don't there is or was a manga.
As for Nadie and Ellis meeting as children, that was in the dreamscape/alternative dimension created by Kokopelli.

Lirio not much if anything is mentioned about her.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 07:09:58 PM »

No, there never was a manga. If you want to understand El Cazador better, I can only recommend watching Noir and Madlax, if you haven't already Cheesy

Lirio remains a mystery throughout; but besides being a fun foil for Ricardo and a visual nod to Mirabelle of Wild Arms, she doesn't seem to have much significance. I agree the speaking part makes one think that she's more important than one might have assumed previously, but in the wide context it appears to be a creative anomaly.

You're right about most people here having seen El Caz, but if you're worried you can always insert a
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I'm agreed with Kari as to the "dreamscape" being largely fictional. I think I mentioned elsewhere (or in chat) that my own opinion is that their meeting as children signafies a depth to their relationship which may not have existed previously. But I certainly don't think that they actually *had* met as children, ie in any historical sense.

El Cazador really didn't do as good a job as it could have with tying up loose ends (you could add Nadie's flashback in episode two to the above, for instance). But I'm willing to forgive that on the basis that it's comedy and, imho, one really shouldn't *expect* them to have a really *solid* plot when they're busy making Noir jokes and getting Aya Hisakawa as many lines as is humanly possible (yay!).

As it is, it's a very amusing spaghetti western style series with a plotline that won't let you fall asleep.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 07:19:29 PM »

 I also think that scene where Ellis and Nadie meet wasn't really a flashback and just a mystical sort of thing created by Kokopelli. Remember Ellis couldn't possibly have met Nadie at that age! She had been living as a test subject under tight surveillance up until the time when the Professor was killed.

 In episode 25 Lirio only talked when she was possessed by that witch. I don't know if this necessarily implies she has witch powers aswell, but some people have suggested that before. As far as we know she's just Ricardo's stepdaughter and a regular child.

 There was a manga, but I only checked the first chapter and didn't really follow it through. It was a lot more fanserviced than the anime and that kinda ruined the Bee Train feeling for me. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 08:06:14 PM »

Oh yeah, now I remember! No, I don't recommend the manga either, I read about three vol. of it and, as Marta implied, it's basically fanservice with fanservice undertones. I would sincerely doubt it had any interesting revelations about Lirio...
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2010, 09:49:18 PM »

Good info.
I wasn't really thinking when i watched the series, since it's the most fanservice/light-hearted one of the three.  (yes, i have watched Noir and Madlax.)

I didn't know Lirio was possessed by that witch person. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2010, 09:54:22 PM »



Oh there is a manga.  Is there one for Noir and/or Madlax?
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2010, 09:56:23 PM »

 Oh c'mon, you know there isn't! Cheesy

 We would have mentioned it by now. ^^
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2010, 10:03:18 PM »

Oh c'mon, you know there isn't! Cheesy

 We would have mentioned it by now. ^^

Hey, I didn't know there was a El Cazador manga...so one might exist.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 10:03:37 PM »

I didn't know Lirio was possessed by that witch person. 

It's not absolutely clear, but it's probably a fair assumption.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 02:52:26 PM »

I didn't know Lirio was possessed by that witch person. 

It's not absolutely clear, but it's probably a fair assumption.

I think you can say fair. Even I can assume that she was, considering that if Lirio does speak, it's entirely accidental and totally out of her moe persona.
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