[10:00] MartAnimE: @Rewatch Let's aim to start in half an hour or so
[10:01] ShadowBlazer3000: nevermind I'm good to start on time
[10:01] MartAnimE: oh cool
[10:01] BiitoreinGoji: ok
[10:01] Noirlax: cool I need a few min myself
[10:01] MartAnimE: alright, just let me know when everyone's ready :dog:
[10:02] BiitoreinGoji: Episode 7 and 8 tonight?
[10:04] ShadowBlazer3000: Batman and Blade of the Immortal both released in 2008
[10:05] MartAnimE: the year of B :bee:
[10:05] MartAnimE: the letter B also kinda looks like an 8
[10:05] BiitoreinGoji: Did you know Drak doesn't like bees?
[10:06] ShadowBlazer3000: yeah probably
[10:06] MartAnimE: I didn't know
[10:06] MartAnimE: but lots of people are afraid of bees/wasps
[10:07] BiitoreinGoji: They can startle you, but knowing that they die if they sting, you can't help but pity them.
[10:07] BiitoreinGoji: Plus they make honey.
[10:07] forlornhope: I'm ready whenever
[10:08] MartAnimE: most importantly, bees and wasps play a key role in polination
[10:08] Noirlax: I'm ready, yeah they make honey and they die if they sting :frowning:
[10:08] BiitoreinGoji: I'm ready
[10:08] MartAnimE: which sustains our food crops
[10:08] Noirlax: I used to save bees when they were drowning in the pool
[10:09] MartAnimE: yeah same, that's how I got stung as a child :smile:
[10:09] Noirlax: Never happened to me though
[10:09] forlornhope: I'm less of a fan of wasps. they can be very mean :v
[10:09] BiitoreinGoji: And I heard bee venom can help treat HIV
[10:09] BiitoreinGoji: and arthritis.
[10:09] MartAnimE: cool
[10:09] forlornhope: nice
[10:10] MartAnimE: I'm gonna grab tea and then I'll be ready to start :tea:
[10:10] forlornhope: okies
[10:10] Noirlax: ready too
[10:10] ShadowBlazer3000:
https://tenor.com/view/hyouka-anime-alone-sad-drink-gif-19386501[10:15] BiitoreinGoji: ready?
[10:15] forlornhope: waiting for marta
[10:17] Noirlax: waiting for :crown::panda_face:
[10:21] MartAnimE: ok ready ^^
[10:21] ShadowBlazer3000: ready
[10:22] forlornhope: go
[10:22] BiitoreinGoji: go
[10:22] ShadowBlazer3000: go
[10:22] Noirlax: Go~!
[10:22] MartAnimE: Go~! :orpherus:
[10:22] MartAnimE: episodes 7 and 8
[10:23] Noirlax: That horse pose
[10:23] MartAnimE: it's like a painting
[10:24] ShadowBlazer3000: like the one of Napoleon
[10:24] Noirlax: yeah
[10:24] Noirlax: cheerful faces
[10:24] MartAnimE: we'll see about that :smile:
[10:25] forlornhope: secret passageway :open_mouth:
[10:25] MartAnimE: it's a secret safe
[10:25] MartAnimE: to protect secrets :detective:
[10:25] forlornhope: ah :detective:
[10:25] Noirlax: chill day at skool
[10:26] ShadowBlazer3000: a school festival, is this officially a cute boys do cute things show?
[10:26] BiitoreinGoji: she said kawaii
[10:26] MartAnimE: Camus is kawaii
[10:27] Noirlax: Flooded with girls in this episode :open_mouth:
[10:27] MartAnimE: escape the girls, embrace the gay
[10:27] Noirlax: lol
[10:27] forlornhope: they exist :open_mouth:
[10:28] MartAnimE: I like Isaac's music :sir_isaac:
[10:28] Noirlax: yeah
[10:28] forlornhope: very easy going :smile:
[10:28] Noirlax: the countries surrounding them are uptight interesting
[10:29] MartAnimE: glasses dude :nerd:
[10:29] MartAnimE: I love this track too
[10:29] Noirlax: treasure hunt
[10:30] Noirlax: numbers conducive to bromance
[10:30] MartAnimE: this draw looks rigged :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
[10:31] Noirlax: lol
[10:31] MartAnimE: all main characters together how convenient
[10:31] forlornhope: lol
[10:32] Noirlax: The headmaster has a point
[10:33] MartAnimE: yeah they're still teenagers
[10:33] forlornhope: lol he's just being lazy making the students find the key
[10:33] Noirlax: lol yeah
[10:33] MartAnimE: Camus can't use his gift to cheat
[10:34] BiitoreinGoji: So he can't scry for it. Good limit
[10:34] Noirlax: stalked by cute girls oh no
[10:34] forlornhope: lol hey only hina can do that
[10:34] Noirlax: lol
[10:34] MartAnimE: lol broken ankles :sweat_smile:
[10:35] ShadowBlazer3000: :parta:
[10:35] MartAnimE: aww the chibis
[10:35] BiitoreinGoji: More insight to the brother-sister relation
[10:36] MartAnimE: more Naoji/Orpherus bonding too
[10:37] Noirlax: Naoji bonding with both Orpherus and Ludwig :open_mouth:
[10:37] MartAnimE: he was bonded with Ludwig from the start
[10:37] MartAnimE: it's a flashback
[10:38] Noirlax: I mean he's in the hearts of both
[10:38] MartAnimE: ah yes
[10:38] Noirlax: love triangle :v
[10:38] MartAnimE: love pentagon :smile:
[10:38] Noirlax: lol
[10:39] MartAnimE: that shot with their faces reflected in the water looked very romantic though
[10:39] Noirlax: yeah it does
[10:39] MartAnimE: they found the key!
[10:40] ShadowBlazer3000: getting the feeling Mashimo was like "I've done so much yuri subtext maybe I should try a little yaoi subtext for a change"
[10:40] Noirlax: lol
[10:40] MartAnimE: yes equal opportunity shipping!
[10:40] forlornhope: lol
[10:41] Noirlax: world extreme unrest :open_mouth:
[10:42] MartAnimE: the prize was a romantic weekend vacation for two
[10:42] Noirlax: on the beach
[10:43] MartAnimE: shady Beruze
[10:43] Noirlax: shady stuff :v
[10:44] MartAnimE: and Isaac has evidence :detective:
[10:44] BiitoreinGoji: Not quite as eventful as the past few episodes, but still adequate.
[10:44] Noirlax: That was fun, but this gives us premonition some SHTF soon
[10:44] Noirlax: Calm before the storm
[10:45] MartAnimE: this one is less self contained, more of a prelude of the plot to come
[10:45] MartAnimE: while the first few episodes were establishing characters
[10:45] ShadowBlazer3000: I've started to notice this show has an oddly dark color grading to it
[10:46] Noirlax: oh what exactly is a dark color grading?
[10:46] BiitoreinGoji: I've got laundry to fold, be right back.
[10:46] MartAnimE: yeah it kinda feels like an old painting
[10:46] MartAnimE: the colour scheme
[10:46] MartAnimE: okies Goji
[10:46] Noirlax: Like it's not bright and there's not a lot of saturation?
[10:47] MartAnimE: yeah you know how old paintings and photos have that faded look?
[10:47] ShadowBlazer3000: yeah the characters are bold but everything else is kind of darker, washed out maybe is what I'm thinking
[10:48] Noirlax: yeah I get what you mean now
[10:48] MartAnimE: we should consider we're watching from a fansub low resolution file too :sweat_smile:
[10:49] forlornhope: yeah :sweat_smile:
[10:49] Noirlax: That doesn't change the color much I think though
[10:49] ShadowBlazer3000: I don't think it's too much a thing with the resolution it looks like it's apart of the animation
[10:49] forlornhope: well fuzzier and less defined probably
[10:49] Noirlax: This is an ominous anime
[10:49] MartAnimE: the colour shouldn't change but it's certainly not the best quality
[10:49] MartAnimE: kinda wish this had an official release
[10:50] MartAnimE: even a sub only would be nice
[10:50] Noirlax: I guess this never got released into DVD?
[10:50] Noirlax: Like for non-Japanese
[10:50] MartAnimE: not an english release at least
[10:50] ShadowBlazer3000: yeah no American release
[10:51] forlornhope: official release would be nice but probably too niche
[10:51] Noirlax: I'm curious what the political events of this world they are in, they really started hinting. Yeah too niche unfortunately
[10:51] ShadowBlazer3000: but surprise surprise it had a German release
[10:51] MartAnimE: of course :smile:
[10:52] Noirlax: We just gotta learn German ya
[10:52] forlornhope: lol nice
[10:52] ShadowBlazer3000: just reminds me when El Cazador had a German release before a US
[10:52] ShadowBlazer3000: I was like "those lucky Germans"
[10:53] Noirlax: Yeah lucky
[10:53] Noirlax: Germans seem to be receptive Bee Train anime :smile:
[10:53] ShadowBlazer3000: ja seems so :flag_de:
[10:54] MartAnimE: cool :smile:
[10:54] Noirlax: Keep thinking of all those members we used to have on the forum :v
[10:54] MartAnimE: yeah, some have been posting recently
[10:54] MartAnimE: about the noir guns
[10:56] Noirlax: oh yeah looking at that now
[10:59] MartAnimE: ready for 8 soon?
[10:59] ShadowBlazer3000: ready
[10:59] Noirlax: ready
[10:59] BiitoreinGoji: ready
[11:00] forlornhope: ready
[11:00] ShadowBlazer3000: go
[11:00] forlornhope: go
[11:00] BiitoreinGoji: go
[11:00] Noirlax: Go~!
[11:00] MartAnimE: Go~! :orpherus:
[11:01] Noirlax: Looking at the lyrics of the OP, matches the anime
[11:01] MartAnimE: yeah
[11:01] MartAnimE: also, the OP also has that dark blur effect in many scenes, the same we see in the anime
[11:02] Noirlax: ah
[11:02] MartAnimE: it gives it that dark atmosphere
[11:02] MartAnimE: you know, when it blurs to black at the edges?
[11:02] Noirlax: ah
[11:02] Noirlax: uh oh eavesdropping
[11:03] MartAnimE: the mysterious exchange student
[11:03] ShadowBlazer3000: from prison
[11:03] Noirlax: lol
[11:03] MartAnimE: lol
[11:04] ShadowBlazer3000: just like Homura
[11:04] MartAnimE: the adventures of Ed and Naoji
[11:04] MartAnimE: we'll never know what happened with them
[11:05] MartAnimE: a female :exploding_head:
[11:06] Noirlax: wow
[11:06] MartAnimE: Camus doesn't like her :camus:
[11:06] ShadowBlazer3000: evil :lemon:
[11:07] MartAnimE: evil temptress, trying to turn them straight
[11:07] Noirlax: The Marquis is a womanizer :smile:
[11:07] forlornhope: :smile:
[11:07] BiitoreinGoji: full moon
[11:07] ShadowBlazer3000: always a full moon :wolf:
[11:08] MartAnimE: she's already putting moves on Ludwig
[11:08] ShadowBlazer3000: yeah fight the power
[11:08] MartAnimE: she's a feminist icon, nice!
[11:08] ShadowBlazer3000: :fist:
[11:09] Noirlax: oh no what a dangerous radical XD
[11:09] forlornhope: lol
[11:09] MartAnimE: she wants equal rights, Ludwig, got a problem with that? :V
[11:10] BiitoreinGoji: Book of Revelation
[11:11] ShadowBlazer3000: who does she think she is, MADLAX?
[11:11] MartAnimE: ah geez :sweat_smile:
[11:11] Noirlax: lol
[11:11] Noirlax: She sounds a bit like Altena too
[11:11] MartAnimE: not a good look :sweat_smile:
[11:12] BiitoreinGoji: Nah Madlax isn't promiscuous.
[11:13] MartAnimE: there's nothing wrong with being sexually available
[11:13] MartAnimE: the problem with Ishtar is she's not really interested in Ludwig, she's trying to seduce him for some hidden evil agenda
[11:15] MartAnimE: also, it's been established Ludwig is not an idiot nor easily manipulated
[11:15] MartAnimE: so they probably shouldn't jump to conclusions
[11:15] BiitoreinGoji: They make a good couple
[11:17] Noirlax: I was worried that Ludwig might not be yaoi tsun with Orpheus anymore thank goodness that wasn't the case.
[11:17] MartAnimE: lol
[11:18] ShadowBlazer3000: Queen Ishtar
[11:20] MartAnimE: not gonna lie, this episode is kinda uncomfortable :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:21] Noirlax: oh how?
[11:21] MartAnimE: feels anti-feminist somehow
[11:22] forlornhope: ludwig protecting the academy from the evil women agenda :sweat_smile:
[11:22] MartAnimE: yup
[11:22] BiitoreinGoji: Given the time period, it would be 1st or 2nd wave Feminism
[11:22] Noirlax: ah I see it differently, I think Ishtar is manipulating a good cause for her own ends.
[11:23] MartAnimE: I guess she's not a real feminist, just pretending to be one to gain support
[11:23] forlornhope: could be
[11:23] Noirlax: Like how some organisations pay lip service to social causes for their own gain
[11:24] Noirlax: But the ep does give the impression Kuchen is a conservative backwards society I agree
[11:25] MartAnimE: it just feels unnecessary, this kind of strawman archetype is what drives angry edgy manosphere dudebros into hating feminism or perceiving it as a threat
[11:25] BiitoreinGoji: Like many companies adopting a pride flag color scheme for June, but come July they'll drop it.
[11:25] MartAnimE: hopefully they won't watch this anime :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:25] Noirlax: lol they might so much bromance
[11:26] ShadowBlazer3000: yeah kind of a shame they didn't carry this out as a longer arc
[11:26] MartAnimE: yeah gender politics could fill an entire season
[11:26] BiitoreinGoji: Yeah seems kind of cramped to have it in one episode.
[11:27] Noirlax: They made Ishtar seem manipulative I know this is dumb but that fragrance burner reminds me of Shaoli :smile:
[11:27] MartAnimE: I was wondering, I think Ludwig might have gotten that from Naoji
[11:28] Noirlax: Yeah wished this one had longer to develop Alex
[11:28] forlornhope: Yeah
[11:29] MartAnimE: I think the scent was a way to symbolize how they have similar tastes and ambitions, thus it's something they bonded over
[11:31] Noirlax: That's true. When I think about it now, Ishtar talks about women's suffrage but ultimately just wants to get herself to be a Strahl candidate, doesn't help the other girls at all ^^;
[11:32] MartAnimE: I suppose the anime was trying to say she's basically a selfish person, who serves only her own interests yes
[11:32] BiitoreinGoji: Interesting article I found on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inannahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inanna[11:32] Noirlax: she also is actually in service from this mysterious foreign country trying to undermine Kuchen
[11:33] MartAnimE: it just feels a bit tone deaf, when the character you choose to vilify is part of an oppressed minority
[11:34] MartAnimE: the only woman so far that wasn't portrayed as a nuisance or a victim and happened to have a chance at achieving a semblance of equality
[11:34] MartAnimE: and of course she's evil :sweat_smile:
[11:35] MartAnimE: it comes across a bit like "stay in your lane, woman"
[11:35] forlornhope: :sweat_smile:
[11:36] Noirlax: I guess it can, don't think they meant it that way and if they did I think it's only meant to show what that fictional country is like.
[11:37] MartAnimE: yeah probably
[11:37] Noirlax: Btw Kuchen is German for cake :smile:
[11:37] Noirlax: :cake:
[11:38] MartAnimE: I have my own feminist reading of it, doesn't mean I dislike the show in general, just felt a little clumsy is all
[11:38] MartAnimE: let them eat cake~! :cake:
[11:38] Noirlax: Felt Ishtar's arc was a little rushed myself
[11:39] Noirlax: But I feel she actually is a pawn of another country
[11:40] Noirlax: she's a foreign agent acting as a student leader
[11:40] MartAnimE: on a side note, I would just like to recommend Utena to everyone who hasn't seen it yet
[11:41] Noirlax: Unfortunately intelligence services undermining student bodies, labor unions etc is pretty normal stuff.
[11:41] MartAnimE: as for this episode, I feel like they could have achieved the same effect if Ishtar had been a boy
[11:41] forlornhope: Utena is one of my favorites :sweat_smile:
[11:41] MartAnimE: she could have just struggled as an outsider like Naoji does
[11:41] MartAnimE: and at least it would have given us more yaoi subtext
[11:42] MartAnimE: with Ludwig
[11:43] forlornhope: I agree. Don't think the gender poltics she brought added anything
[11:44] forlornhope: Rose of Versailles is also a good anime with a female character that is raised as a man
[11:45] forlornhope: As another side note :sweat_smile:
[11:45] MartAnimE: yeah I've seen bits of that, would like to check the whole thing sometime ^^
[11:46] Noirlax: on another note I wonder who voiced Ishtar
[11:46] ShadowBlazer3000:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=854[11:47] ShadowBlazer3000: Akiko Hiramatsu
[11:47] ShadowBlazer3000: oh she was BT
[11:47] Noirlax: oh
[11:47] MartAnimE: oh a returning actress
[11:47] MartAnimE: Mashimo does that :smile:
[11:47] Noirlax: felt the voice sounded familiar
[11:48] forlornhope: Oh never watched sign subbed
[11:48] forlornhope: That's cool
[11:48] MartAnimE: guess that's all for today, any more thoughts on the episodes?
[11:50] BiitoreinGoji: Kinda rushed, but we got to see a side of Ludwig we don't normally see.
[11:51] Noirlax: Interesting episodes, I don't really interpret it with that feminist interpretation of yours, view it more simply than that. Somehow these two eps seem the prelude to bigger and badder things. Yes we see Ludwig being smart as usual and that he's not ambitious for the sake of himself necessarily.
[11:52] MartAnimE: yeah, he puts on a cold exterior, but deep inside he cares deeply
[11:52] MartAnimE: very tsundere of him :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
[11:54] MartAnimE: I have only seen both seasons once before so I don't remember as much about the plot going forward, but I'm starting to get the feeling that the show's strength is in the characters, their backstories, their traumas, their feelings, and their close bonds of friendship
[11:55] MartAnimE: the political plots might pale in comparison
[11:55] Noirlax: I think political intrigue in this anime is good too, it's just subtle and understated so far.
[11:56] Noirlax: I know this stuff cause I played 1000 hours of Civilization XD
[11:56] Noirlax: jk
[11:57] MartAnimE: lol, I just don't remember it from the first watch cuz it's been a very long time
[11:57] MartAnimE: so far it's been more character driven
[11:57] MartAnimE: but I don't doubt there'll be political intrigue
[11:57] Noirlax: It's more character driven so far yeah
[11:59] MartAnimE: alright, think that's all from me ^^
[11:59] Noirlax: same
[11:59] MartAnimE: thanks everyone for the rewatch :dog:
[12:00] Noirlax: --- THE END ---
