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Bee Train Wiki
« on: July 07, 2006, 01:04:37 PM »
I'm sure, no one can call Fellini 8.5 a lazy person (and if anyone dares, I'll come kick this anyone's sorry ass for that) - he has created and maintained this forum and our community for over a year. Yet we all know, he is a busy man.

Therefore, I propose we take it upon ourselves to start a web-project dedicated to encyclopedical and artistic analysis of the works by our favourite studio, as well as other interesting facts about it.

I say our best choice would be to go with a wiki-poject using MediaWiki software - it's relatively fast, absolutely free and marvelously customizable and multifunctional. Moreover, it's the most popular Wiki engine nowadays, so I guess the majority cannot be wrong.

Therefore I need to know how many of us have had experience with Wiki software. Even if it turns out that I'm about the only one (I've been active for over a year on English Pedia), it's no problem, MediaWiki is really easy to use. And I mean it. :)

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Oh, btw, even if you don't have any xp with Wiki but would like to help with the initiative, say it. :)
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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2006, 03:33:31 PM »
So are you suggesting that we do something kinda like what's been done for .hack// but for all things Bee-Train instead? I never used Wikipedia but I think I can help a bit, so count me in! :)

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2006, 04:01:26 PM »
So are you suggesting that we do something kinda like what's been done for .hack// but for all things Bee-Train instead?

Yes, I think, Noir deserves such a resource no less than SIGN and Roots. %)

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I never used Wikipedia but I think I can help a bit, so count me in!

That makes two of us enthusiastic people. %)

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Even without going too much into the Wiki mechanics, there are some questions that should be answered first, e.g.:

- What will our policy towards lesser fan-sites and self-promotion be? On Pedia, it's generally unwelcome to post links to fan-sites, but this is a rather special case.
- What will our logo be? A normal Wiki logo has a square form, so we better invent something suitable...
- Should we first distribute tasks among project members or just let everyone post whatever they can?

Of course, we could copy-paste most of the stuff from EnPedia, for starters, but I can tell you now that most of the articles there are not satisfying. Especially the one about Madlax. My Russian article contains 3-4 times as much information (which makes it about 32 Kb large ::)) and is much cleaner, so I'd rather translate it.
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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2006, 07:53:15 PM »
I'd been considering a wiki lately as a means to implement the thing I've been waiting for the package I chose last year to firm up on.  I'm not 100% enamored with either the interface or the customizability.

However if everyone is itching to try, I can spin up an instance of Mediawiki once I get back in to town.

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2006, 11:48:00 PM »
How bout we do BeeTrainFan for Wikipedia? :D :D

People would be like "what?" and we'd laugh, cause we know what's going on.

*lightheartedness*
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What am I supposed to say? 'Hi my name is Jodie, I like watching sunsets, taking long walks on the beach, oh and I'm smoking hot'?

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 02:46:29 PM »
I'd been considering a wiki lately as a means to implement the thing I've been waiting for the package I chose last year to firm up on.  I'm not 100% enamored with either the interface or the customizability.

Pardon me? Sorry, I didn't get the "enamored" part. Do you think it's now customizable enough or have you just not had enough time to work with it? :)

PS: I've installed a mediawiki on my localhost, so now I'm playing with its settings and stuff. Also developing some templates, conventions and all.

How bout we do BeeTrainFan for Wikipedia? :D :D

People would be like "what?" and we'd laugh, cause we know what's going on.

*lightheartedness*

Nah, they don't like Bee Train on Pedia. :( I've tried creating a nav template two weeks ago and within seven minutes it was tagged for deletion... Still is, by the way. Even though it should have been removed from that list a while ago. Apalling.
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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2006, 04:09:53 AM »
Ok, after some brainstorming together with MartAnimE, I've developed some pretty templates, a category tree and a some general conventions about articles on certain topics. I am currently in the middle of bringing those conventions in comprehendable form. :) As soon as it's done, I'll post them here for discussion.

Two more things. I think we should name the Wiki "Bee Train Fan Wiki" instead of "Bee Train Wiki" to underline its unofficial character. I hope Fellini won't sue me for infringing his copyrights. :)

And if that's ok, I've come up with an idea about a logo. You see, Fellini has already done a great job creating the icons for the main page... What if we simply reuse them, seeing as they are all roughly of the needed size? ^^ If the admin doesn't mind I can write a PHP script that'd randomly select one of the images in its folder and show it as a logo. :)

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2006, 02:10:44 PM »
Since this caught me whilst out-of-town and a bit too busy to think about it, allow me to continue.  I'll probably ramble a bit aimlessly, so don't look too hard for the point.  :)

My goal when starting this site was to make a place where anyone could submit fan-related content -- reviews, fiction, theoretical dissertations, artwork, etc. -- while still giving me the opportunity to dabble in aspects of PHP and CSS that I don't have the freedom to play with in my day-job.

I was thinking I wanted it to behave similar to the kind of flexibility that Wikipedia or a *-"nuke" portal had -- but not be stuck with a user interface geared toward programmers, a templating system that lacked flexibility and limited creativity, and an information model that didn't allow for a useful end-user-friendly site organization.  Most everything seemed to be geared more towards the programmer than the designer.  Or those systems geared toward the designer tended to not allow enough simple programmer tweaking.  And on top of that, make content-entry easy enough, and rewarding enough, for real, normal people.

Finally, I wanted to take the challenge of integrating free, complete "off-the-shelf" components and put them together in a way that Keeps It Simple Stupid  ...and that I could then spin off into a potential side-business...  ;)

Obviously, having such a widely-scoped, lavish "vision" of the site has contributed to my endless tinkering, but a lack of time has contributed to my complete lack of results beyond our fun little forum here.

That said, I still dislike the "wiki" way, though I'm softening that stance a bit if it means that I can tap into the community enthusiasm to actually start producing content.  Content is king.  Content drives Google page ranks, which drives traffic, which Gets Attention (for good or bad... :P ). 

So I want to host whatever it is over here to be part of the Bee Train Fan family.  Like I've said many times, I've got bandwidth and diskspace to spare.  I would also look to integrate it with this forum, the soon-to-be-installed new-improved gallery (with AVI and MP3 support!), and my content-management-system-of-choice.  But for now it can just co-exist so content can get authored.

Koveras, for the customizations of the MediaWiki instance, are you able to just alter template files without digging into the core codebase at this point?  If we can set this up as a quick "Keep It Simple Stupid" installation to help us ramp up, without doing anything that will jepordize our upgrade path or cross-application intergration points, then I think you'll find that we'll have all sorts of potential bells & whistles we can start adding to this thing.  Best application for the task, but seamlessly blend all of the tasks so you don't know there are different applications driving them.  And whatnot.


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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2006, 05:51:14 PM »
Since this caught me whilst out-of-town and a bit too busy to think about it, allow me to continue.  I'll probably ramble a bit aimlessly, so don't look too hard for the point.  :)

...

I see what you mean, it is true that Wiki is not very suitable for storing reviews, fiction, theoretical dissertations, artwork - at least, no the distributions I'm used to. :) However, nothing prevents us from keeping two resources - the encyclopedical Wiki and a more personal and creative section with an engine of your choice. :)

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Koveras, for the customizations of the MediaWiki instance, are you able to just alter template files without digging into the core codebase at this point?

The templates a fully editable from a normal persons perspective. They can be modified just like any other article, just that etherial ones including complex "if-then" structures may need a little getting used to. :)

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If we can set this up as a quick "Keep It Simple Stupid" installation to help us ramp up, without doing anything that will jepordize our upgrade path or cross-application intergration points, then I think you'll find that we'll have all sorts of potential bells & whistles we can start adding to this thing.  Best application for the task, but seamlessly blend all of the tasks so you don't know there are different applications driving them.  And whatnot.

I find the installation pretty simple. I've installed a copy on my Apache with almost no effort and it took about 4-5 changes in the settings-file to get it working the way I'm used to. It will, however, require some fiddling with .htaccess to make URLs look better, yet if a, say, subdomain is possible instead of a subfolder, it won't be any problem.

PS: And back to those icons you used on the main site... I've tested them out and the script that I was talking about is done. The only problem is that the pictures are too small - the optimal wiki-size is about 137x137, while yours is 80x80. So I was wondering, maybe you have some bigger versions for me. =)

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 04:49:45 PM »
Ok, people, I've managed to get what I wanted from Fellini and he even decided to keep an eye on the technical side of the wiki. So if you experience any technical problems - ask him, I'm only here for spiritual guidance. :) Which means that if you have any questions on the Wiki mechanics or something, I'll be there to answer them. :)

First of all, the wiki is located here:

http://www.beetrainfan.org/wiki/

Secondly, I'd like everyone interested in the project to comment following things:

* Rules
* "Article conventions"

It's especially the latter that I am concerned about. I'm no sure, however, whether I'll have time today to post all templates today, since they must be adapted to Fellini's images gallery system in some cases... But I think, I can make it. :)

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 12:31:07 PM »
I'm really sorry I can't contribute much right now... The problem is the air temperature. In the last few days it's been so hot here, that my brain cannot function properly. :( And until the temperature goes down to under 30C, every sort of creative activity is off limits for me. :(

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2006, 01:58:43 PM »
I'm really sorry I can't contribute much right now... The problem is the air temperature. In the last few days it's been so hot here, that my brain cannot function properly. :( And until the temperature goes down to under 30C, every sort of creative activity is off limits for me. :(

 Oh I so understand what you mean! It's been damn hot arond here aswell! :P I had been trying to work around an avenger article for the wiki, but lately I can't manage to find the motivation for it... ^^;

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2006, 05:19:23 PM »
Oh I so understand what you mean! It's been damn hot arond here aswell! :P I had been trying to work around an avenger article for the wiki, but lately I can't manage to find the motivation for it... ^^;

They say, it's gonna be another hot summer here in Europe. :( Poor French guys are gonna die in huandreds again. :( No laughing matter...

Anyway, I wanted to point out that to create a link to a "create article" page, you don't have to do manually. Just place the word into [[square double brackets]] and the engine will recognize automatically, whether there is an article with such title or not. In the latter case, it'll create a link automatically. :)

In case the word in the brackets is different from the needed article's title, you use the following expression: [[Article title|word]]. Note the "|" without spaces. :)

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2006, 07:07:14 PM »
Anyway, I wanted to point out that to create a link to a "create article" page, you don't have to do manually. Just place the word into [[square double brackets]] and the engine will recognize automatically, whether there is an article with such title or not. In the latter case, it'll create a link automatically. :)

In case the word in the brackets is different from the needed article's title, you use the following expression: [[Article title|word]]. Note the "|" without spaces. :)

 Ah so you noticed my confusion with it! ^^; Well thanks for the tip! I tried to do my best with that edit but I suppose it still needed some minor touches here and there.

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Re: Bee Train Wiki
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2006, 05:08:04 AM »
Ah so you noticed my confusion with it! ^^; Well thanks for the tip! I tried to do my best with that edit but I suppose it still needed some minor touches here and there.

Well, that's what I'm here for - helping you guys out. :)